jedion357 October 10, 2014 - 5:15pm | http://listverse.com/2009/09/10/10-extremely-weird-religions/ Jedism made this list: http://whatculture.com/offbeat/8-incredibly-strange-religions-around-world.php Couldn't find the link to see the other 4 but the first 3 on this list were interesting http://matadornetwork.com/bnt/7-really-weird-religions-you-havent-heard-of/ Man I like Pana-Wave from this list: http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/articles/worlds-10-weirdest-religions Note I've not posted links to websites that have a list without something new on it. also of note there have been numerous cults with sexual wierdness going on and yet none of them made the lists above. from free love to church sanctioned pedophilia by religious leaders and so on... This might have more to do with the cultural shift toward all forms of sexuality being legitimate. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
Ascent October 29, 2014 - 12:47pm | Santeria and Vodou. Need I say more? View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
Tchklinxa October 30, 2014 - 4:54am | First I want to say talking about real life religion can raise blood pressures so I will offer some very general life experiences & observations: 1 anything anyone does can seem silly to outsiders. 2 Religion is not logical though people try and apply logic to it usually poorly, it is highly emotional driven by a set of ideals that often must be protected blindly 3 I have survived hate crimes based of religion (actual attempts to kill). 4 it is always easier to build up ones beliefs by attacking another's 5 most religions are cults 6 brainwashing & manipulation of the mind via religion is surprisingly easy and a totally sane individual can be slowly programed by a clever religious leader who is really a sociopath, there is a set way to do this. 7 some religions demand that anyone who leaves it must be killed 8 some religions seek ASC while others recoil from ASC 9 some religions embrace sin, while others do not 10 heretics exist, and though viewed as a threat may not actually be a threat I can expand on this & explain better if needed. "Never fire a laser at a mirror." |
Ascent October 30, 2014 - 6:22am | I only need to know what "ASC" is. Also, every religion is a cult, even atheistic ones. Some so-called "anti-cult" relgions try to confuse "cult" with "destructive cult" or "dangerous cult". They call Jehovah's Witnesses a "cult" in the hopes of causing people to think of Jehovah's Witnesses as a destructive or dangerous cult when they are quite literally the most harmless religion in the world because they do not go to war and do not persecute others for their religious beliefs with threats, violence, dangerous lies and verbal abuse, nor do they incite their own persecution as some like to claim. My point being, do not confuse "cult" for "destructive" or "dangerous cult" as some would like to see done. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
Ascent October 30, 2014 - 6:48am | Scientology with its "auditing" to find out who you were in your previous life, "ARC break", thought-polluting "engrams" and the now defunct and proven dangerous "cleansing", all referred to as the program called "dianetics". Formed as a result of a $100 bet. Which also brings me to polytheism, transmigration of the soul, Nirvana and transcendental meditation from Buddhism. Also the "mysteries" of various dangerous mystery cults from ancient Persia to today, which include secret rites and death-invoking vows that may or may not be enforced. The Masons are a modern form of mystery cult. Most religions have prophets (or seers), avatars (Gods in the forms of men), priests or ministers and scriptures, as a well as a central body that decides doctrine. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
Tchklinxa October 30, 2014 - 11:31am | ASC = Altered State of Consciousness You are correct "cult" is misused. Christianity was/is a mystery cult but has lost a lot of that as it went from secret to more everyone belongs mentality. Good points on aspects of religion. Also don't forget Ancestor Worship... majority of people do it, even if they do not understand they do it... ranges from going to the grave and chatting with a dead loved one to full in rites & rituals. Some people just believe in a pure good life power of the universe. "Never fire a laser at a mirror." |
Ascent October 30, 2014 - 2:28pm | Sorry, but Christianity was never a mystery cult. A simple cursory reading of the New Testament reveals this. It was always open and about preaching truth, not about keeping secrets. Jesus preached openly and so did the apostles and disciples. It was because of their open preaching, lies leveled against them and refusing military service, and not because of keeping secrets, that they were hunted. Ancestor worship is a good one. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
Tchklinxa October 30, 2014 - 6:00pm | I do not wish to offend anyone, so please do not take any comment as an attack. I understand it can be misunderstood that mystery cult is an insult, I mean no such thing. I want to be clear on this point. When I stated Christianity was a mystery cult I was simply a stage it went through. As a religion Christianity has changed many times and gone through many stages, this seems normal, logical and a reasonable analysis of it's history to me. I do believe (personally) Ascent that the original form of Christianity as taught by Jesus was probably very different then some of the stages it has gone through including the "mystery cult" stage. I do not wish to debate the stages or my beliefs about the original form of Christianity as many people will become upset and will think I am disrespecting their deeply held beliefs if I am not in total 100% agreement with them (even though disrespect would not be my intent). We are talking over 2000+ years of history and lots of ideas about how best to be Christian so it is very easy to accidentally offend. I do not wish to cause unnecessary stress or ill will to anyone on our forum as I really value you all. Peace-Pax-Shalom-Salam I only wish to point out "mystery cults" generally have layers, an outer well known general information layer and a deeper inner knowledge that traditionally is connected to some sort of rites along with personal experiences & education into the mysteries and whom can have access to such teachings. Also sometimes the religious apple cart gets kicked over when someone comes along that has experiences or opinions that cause change in a religion, note such people may or may not be called prophets as such titles seem to be heavily influenced by other deeper beliefs, though they might get to be saints or some other title of importance depending on the religion. Mostly I feel religion for SF is part of the background setting, adds realism and is an added element to add depth to plots, characters, etc. I hope everyone understands what I am trying to say. "Never fire a laser at a mirror." |
iggy October 30, 2014 - 6:13pm | I suppose osakar would mix and match elements of many religions to make something different and unique from what another osakar is practicing. Their primary interest in religions is to be different from other osakar. So they likely know about most every religion and spend time discussing how to mix elements to make something they find interesting. -iggy |
Tchklinxa October 30, 2014 - 7:43pm | That makes total sense for them... they would be the Chaos Theory at work. They would see it as very unique & personal, maybe get offended if copied 100%? "Never fire a laser at a mirror." |
iggy October 30, 2014 - 9:52pm | Maybe not offended until they found the individual continued to copy them. I think the first response would be to alter the religion some so that they are different enough to satisfy their personal desires to be different. Thus any given osakar is likely constantly altering his religion to be different. Some might band together for a time and act alike but I think their nature would cause them to drift apart to be again unique. Also there might be some competition to be the first to practice another races religion in its pure form. The others would predominantly be forced to be a little different when they practice the new religion. So an osakar that is part of a party that make first contact would naturally learn about their religions and adopt one he likes because it is new and no other osakar are practicing it yet, thus making him UNIQUE. The follow on to this is that as other osakar learn about this new religion they will feverishly study it to be most accurate in an effort to be different from the first osakar to practice the religion. The whole motivation deep down is to be different. -iggy |
Ascent October 31, 2014 - 6:23am | Tchklinxa, your previous post implied that Christianity started out as a mystery cult and then became more open, but the opposite is what took place. Christianity's forray into mystery cult status was not complete until the 4th century, long after many apostasies had already taken root in it. When the Catholic church, a mystery cult, became the official state religion of the Roman Empire, then they violently suppressed all other Christian sects, virtually wiping them out of existence. The Catholic church maintained mystery cult status, while the Protestant reformation sought to finally teach the Bible, which the Catholic church had suppressed as part of its mysteries. Even the Catholic church acknowledges this course of events, so there is no argument. Just be sure, through your wording, that people understand that Christianity did not start out as a mystery cult. The words "early Christianity" is often applied up to the 8th century, and thus the words are often used to too easily paint with broad brushstrokes and give a wholely different picture than what was really the case, usually to suit a sectarian agenda. I'm sure a sectarian agenda is not the case with you, but painting with broad brushstrokes can lead many reading such words to have misunderstandings and wrong ideas. According to the apostle Paul, it is a Christian's job to defend against such things. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
Tchklinxa October 31, 2014 - 10:41am | I apologize for being too general. You and I probably have some similar ideas about early-early Christianity. It is a wild and twisted ride delving into the history of it that is for sure. Just for the record I think some of the academics who write about their own religion and other people's religious beliefs clearly are not objective. They have not always done a good job regardless of what they call themselves. Often they get stuck on one dominating idea or way of viewing all religion, mythology or spirituality. A lot either are trying to prove all religion is silly, or their religion is the best or their interruption is all that matters, and then there are cultural biases that create really bad boxes they try and shove everyone into mindlessly. All this combines in my opinion to do a disservice to everyone interested in understanding any religion or spiritual beliefs of any people in the present or the past. I am not a follower of Paul's teachings though that does not mean I do not appreciate some things he wrote. Odd man out on this I know, every now and then I get asked something that revolves around Paul's teachings at work (religious debates are common at work.) I find everyone's very different opinions on the same text very interesting, but some people get way too upset and can only appreciate one way of thinking about God or interruption I guess. I find it all insightful myself. The last time I was asked an opinion of doctrine if you will (a debate on who get's to go to heaven between different Protestant theologies) I shocked the room with my answer: "Everyone believe's they are chosen, that is why they all are so willing to kill to be chosen, but very few are willing to do what they need to do to one with God, got to go home, bye everyone." No one has asked me any more questions recently, I may have offended all the different people arguing... I sincerely hope they realize to Love others and not Judge so much. Peace all. "Never fire a laser at a mirror." |
Ascent October 31, 2014 - 12:17pm | I don't agree entirely with your point about the subjective viewpoints of history regarding Christianity. I think if you want to get at the truth, then follow the trail of bread crumbs from each religion and even the agnostic/atheist viewpoints, that points to the origins of everyone else's doctrines, but making sure to do so only where they have proof in the form of archaeology and objective works of historians, and particularly where the writing is very crisp and clear. Even then, you want to investigate all claims to see whether the claim is true. I have found this quite helpful to get at what seem to be the facts. Like you say, a church may not speak of itself objectively, but it will be more than happy to track down the archaeological truth on other sects. I've learned that bias tends to stand out like a sore thumb once you learn how to recognize it. It will have a lot of obfuscations and no references or lots of forced interpretations that don't match up to the facts presented when you ask the hard questions. If you see a claim, challenge it by reading the referenced material and asking "What does the material mean and does it really give the impression claimed?" That's how I learned that all the claims against JW's are either bogus or blown so far out of proportion as to be laughable. Just analyze the facts without forced interpretations. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
Tchklinxa October 31, 2014 - 4:21pm | I agree with you on good archaeology research & scholarship is a must (actually I always enjoy reading such material), forced interruptions and really bad scholarship stand out as you stated. Also on texts reading different translations if you can get them is often very helpful in understanding different people's opinions of the text. If you can get source material that is always a plus. A lot of religions or sects of religions get unjustly slandered in my opinion. "Never fire a laser at a mirror." |
Malcadon November 1, 2014 - 12:03am | I wonder if I can apply for a 501(c)(3) tax exempt status if I start-up a temple for the FSM? |
Ascent November 1, 2014 - 5:33am | Agreed. That's why I usually stick to doctine. Pointing out a religion's failings in the past is pointless. Most learn from their mistakes. (With the exception of a few. I point out the failings of the Catholic church because they either make no changes at all [moving pedophile priests around] or they keep repeating the same mistakes [backing sides in war].) A lot of religions or sects of religions get unjustly slandered in my opinion. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
Ascent November 1, 2014 - 5:37am | I believe you have to demonstrate a number of things to show that you deserve the status. One of those things is to show that your system is not "new". (Meaning that it has not been around long and is not commonly accepted.) That's why Jediism can't get tax-exempt status. I wonder if I can apply for a 501(c)(3) tax exempt status if I start-up a temple for the FSM? View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
bossmoss November 1, 2014 - 9:03am | More than just not having tax exempt status, the FSM said unto Bobby... "I don't like this whole business about churches being tax exempt". There isn't even an overarching organization to BE tax exempt. FSM priests ordain themselves. You know, pirates don't generally follow the rules anyway. |
Ascent November 1, 2014 - 9:36am | It's because it is donated money. Donated money has already been taxed. If you taxed donated money of religions, then you would also have to tax charitable organizations of every kind. Charities would collapse, and people would have to rely more upon government-funded programs. Thus, the government loses. Charities and churches alike, can provide more services for less money than the government can. Churches, like it or not, provide services to their members that relieves the government of some of the burdern. Remove church tax exemption and you take away the government's net. Churches also provide either promotion of government loyalty or pacification of members from political upheaval. Take that away and the people become more inclined to rise up as well as deplete the primary source of most of their soldiers. Many churches also give money to political programs as well. It's just an all around bad day for the government if ever they remove church tax exemption. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
Tchklinxa November 1, 2014 - 10:02am | There is a difference between State & Federal Tax exempt statuses for Churches. It is possible for a Church to hold both or just one or the other... it is all about the paperwork. Also there are differences in what States impose on the public concerning things like ordination, or who can marry whom. In CA to marry someone you just need to be recognized by the participants to have that ability and now be 18, but other states may require specialized licenses or credentials for instance. There are rules, but usually it is the individual States that make the most rules trying to control religion/people (which never really works well) and say who can and can not do what and how to define religion. Some religions/congregations never bother with 501c3 or State tax exemption. "Never fire a laser at a mirror." |