Weird Religions in the Real World and what fun for the Osakar!

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jedion357
October 10, 2014 - 5:15pm
http://listverse.com/2009/09/10/10-extremely-weird-religions/

Jedism made this list:
http://whatculture.com/offbeat/8-incredibly-strange-religions-around-world.php

Couldn't find the link to see the other 4 but the first 3 on this list were interesting
http://matadornetwork.com/bnt/7-really-weird-religions-you-havent-heard-of/

Man I like Pana-Wave from this list:
http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/articles/worlds-10-weirdest-religions

Note I've not posted links to websites that have a list without something new on it.

also of note there have been numerous cults with sexual wierdness going on and yet none of them made the lists above. from free love to church sanctioned pedophilia by religious leaders and so on...
This might have more to do with the cultural shift toward all forms of sexuality being legitimate.
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iggy
October 10, 2014 - 10:51pm
Where was Elvis?  The osakar would definitely go for an Elvis themed religion.

Also a Stooges themed religion. 
-iggy

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Shadow Shack
October 11, 2014 - 1:05am
Cue the Family Guy "Church of Fonzie".

I'm not overly fond of Zeb's Guide...nor do I have any qualms stating why. Tongue out

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KRingway
October 11, 2014 - 1:39am
On the face of it, all religions are weird so pretty much any religious construct is up for grabs, I'd say Wink

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jedion357
October 11, 2014 - 3:48am
Cue the somewhat rotund dralasite singer with the bell bottomed jump suit and cape who died before his time and now is seen all over the frontier and has a legion of impersonators.

His name was Evo.

I may have to draw this picture.
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Malcadon
October 11, 2014 - 5:43am
The Prince Philip Movement is a neat one, as it relates to the South Pacific Cargo Cults — a religion that stemmed form contact with the western world. The funny things is that Star Trek's Prime Directive was created as a plot device to keep Kirk and crew form overpowering some primitives in an episode, but in retrospect, it is a great rule to keep the Federation form causing cultural contamination, and this was explored in a great episode of ST:TNG. As it is, the "Mobster Planet" in TOS, was a culture that takes to cargo cults like children to a candy store, and once the Enterprise left the system, Fizbin become their national pass time.

On a Mutant Future Wiki I made, I posted some examples of Gamma World-styled Cryptic Alliances called "religions." One of the most common religions one sees in fiction, and the weirdest ones you'll find in real life, are the ones that are built round a fictional character or celebratory, often with some ironic twist. So, instead of listing a bunch of "Pop-Cults", I wrote this:

Pop-Cults
This is not one type of group, but a broad category of cults that form around some pop-culture reference. This might be a "league" of costumed human mutants or tech-using (pure) humans, who fight crime within a city area. It might be a church of Elvis Impersonators, who sees "The King of Pop" as a messiah-figure, and makes pilgrimages to long fabled kingdom of "Graceland". Even the concept of mutant animals worshiping an old cartoon mascot (see the picture [of GW Badders worshiping Wisconsin State's Bucky Badger] above) falls under this category. The possibilities are endless, as players are free to come-up with with their own ideas, based on real life (or fictional) pop-culture references and phenomena.

As for sex-cults, I always stick one or more in any fantasy setting I run, even if it is an established settings with no gods or temples related to sex or futility — especially the D&D settings, as their pantheons are usually way too player-character-centric. The rational for sex-cults and Temple Prostitutes is that they used to be common in old religions.

As for an example of a modern sex-cult, there is the infamous Hellfire Club. It used to be a Gentleman's Club that trafficked in vice — a common thing for the time — but it became the most famous among them. The legend of the Hellfire Club inspired an old episode of The Avengers, which in turn inspired the same organization in the Uncanny X-Men, and lets not forget Eyes Wide Shut... err... Scratch that, forget it ever happened! (How can anyone make a two-and-a-half-hour-long sex orgy so boring?)

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Abub
October 13, 2014 - 8:32am
My last Gamma World game started the players out in a walled off human city/state where the whole of the culture was made up from corporate organizational structure.  The area was seperated into discipline specific departments (like villages) and all the people were corporate assets (not citizens or employees since they were basically slaves -- everybody was slaves to the whole).  Also thier external military and internal militant police were called External Auditors and Internal Auditors respectively.


It was a big walled off area with farmland and everything inside.

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Ascent
October 13, 2014 - 3:09pm
Okay, how would a UFO cult survive in a melting pot space frontier. I suppose the Tetrarchs would have several such cults, one for each dominant speculation about the Tetrarchs, and maybe a few for the roll-your-eyes types of speculations. The Sathar might even have worshipers. 

But what about all the "they live among us" and "they are watching us in invisible craft" and "they are watching from outside the frontier" speculations?
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jedion357
October 13, 2014 - 3:37pm
Ascent wrote:
Okay, how would a UFO cult survive in a melting pot space frontier. I suppose the Tetrarchs would have several such cults, one for each dominant speculation about the Tetrarchs, and maybe a few for the roll-your-eyes types of speculations. The Sathar might even have worshipers. 

But what about all the "they live among us" and "they are watching us in invisible craft" and "they are watching from outside the frontier" speculations?


You might say that the sathar do have their worshipers: The Frontier Peace Organization
http://www.starfrontiers.us/node/4560

Any UFO cult would latch onto the tetrarchs for sure but also the wypongs? from Layover at Lossend article - they are semi-intelligent, have religeous beliefs, and able to communicate through a polyvox, and use tools ie primitive weapons
No doubt someone will connect them to the tetrarchs or something

Conspiracy theorist should have a heyday with the tetrarchs i would think.
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Jaxon
October 15, 2014 - 4:33am
But what about all the "they live among us" and "they are watching us in invisible craft" and "they are watching from outside the frontier" speculations?

Yes, why not?

If or when humans on Earth branch out - that stigma will probabbly be present on new colonies. 

"Bob, did you see those lights over the shuttle bay?"
"yeah, it was a shuttle, Charlie..."
"You sure? I think it may be some aliens!"
"Charlie, why do aliens want to come to some poor colony on Titan when they can go screw with Earth!"

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Abub
October 15, 2014 - 9:27pm
or the precieved tech level might be so much higher than the frontier as to be magical... like dimension traveling aliens.

 
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bossmoss
October 24, 2014 - 6:08pm
Nuwaubianism is by far the freakiest one on that list. 
  - Everyone has 7 clones somewhere in the world.
  - There is an army of semi-aborted fetuses living in the sewers,
    who intend to take over the world.
  - Satan's son was raised by Richard Nixon.

Real life is stranger than fiction.

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bossmoss
October 25, 2014 - 2:30am
They also believe one of the devil's names is Sam, and they believe Uncle Sam is the Devil, and so is Dr. Seuss (whom they specifically cite by name).  Acording to them, Green Eggs & Ham is a satanic text wherein the devil chants, "Sam I Am".

They believe the Rapture involves the return of Velociraptors.

The T-Rex evolved from Greys.

Their belief system describes several different kinds of UFOs and aliens, so that fits in nicely with SF.  Several of their religious beliefs involve the Star Wars films, for example Yoda is actually Judah. 

According to them, the hula hoop is of alien origin.

The lost goes on and on.  I think they are they best ones to adapt as a weird Osakar religion (with a little tweaking).

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Ascent
October 25, 2014 - 2:47am
Sometimes I am just dumbfounded at the extent of stupidity of some cults and their followers. But meeting them is even wierder. I just can't understand how they even manage to put on their clothes properly. No doubt their underwear often ends up inside out and backwards...on their heads. It must simply be that a chemical imbalance in their brains keeps them ultra-gullible.
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bossmoss
October 25, 2014 - 3:34am
I often hear people making jokes about Jehovah's Witnesses & Mormons, who admittedly do have a few wacky ideas of their own, but my question is this: how are they really any different than the mainstream religions?  If you'd never heard of Christianity or Islam, and someone tried to describe them to you (as in these articles), wouldn't they sound just as kooky?  Think about it.  They only seem normal to us because we're used to them.

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rattraveller
October 25, 2014 - 5:37am

Bossmoss has a point. Look up what a Muslim is supposed to do while on the Hajj and you might question Islam.

Christianity has thousands of different sects. Some of these sects are far stranger than anything on the above list. Of course since the symbol of Christianity is a torture and execuetion device which can be very strange to those outside the religion.

Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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Ascent
October 25, 2014 - 6:16am
bossmoss wrote:
I often hear people making jokes about Jehovah's Witnesses & Mormons, who admittedly do have a few wacky ideas of their own, but my question is this: how are they really any different than the mainstream religions?  If you'd never heard of Christianity or Islam, and someone tried to describe them to you (as in these articles), wouldn't they sound just as kooky?  Think about it.  They only seem normal to us because we're used to them.
I know what the whacky stuff about Mormons is, (underwear, spectacles, and the like,) but what are the whacky things of Jehovah's Witnesses you refer to?

Regarding rattraveler's statement, I find Catholics particularly wierd with transubstantiation, idols for every saint, moving pedophile priests from perish to perish instead of just allowing them to marry and hating on everyone with a different viewpoint. Also the sign-wielding, hate-spewing, Bible-thumping (not reading) Westboro Baptist church.

That said, I have no doubt such things would be very common even 300 years in the future.
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Jaxon
October 26, 2014 - 9:43am
no comment


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iggy
October 27, 2014 - 4:10pm
From another viewpoint so many diverse religions share common beliefs and doctrines that it makes one wander about the great apostacy and wether or not there have been continual cycles of apostasy and restoration throughout all history.

There are so many common beliefs that osakar could easily move through many religions in their lives and become experts on religious history and origins. 
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Malcadon
October 28, 2014 - 7:00am
Ascent wrote:
...but what are the whacky things of Jehovah's Witnesses you refer to?


Lets narrow this down about a bit:
  • The years of failed Second Coming/End of the World predictions? (Despite the fact that the Bible clearly says you should not second guess the Second Coming.)
  • The years of keep the flock inline with shunning?
  • The stalking and harassment of outspoken ex-members? (Normally they would shun ex-members.)
  • Questionable and highly bias translations of the Bible? (In the past, they would make modern translations form older, pre-James sources.)
  • The corruption scandals by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society and some local Elders?
  • The sex abuse scandals?
  • Sparlock? (Goddammit, I really want a Sparlock for Christmas!)

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Ascent
October 28, 2014 - 9:11am
Not the place to go into it, but I did ask for it. Unfortunately, much of what you sight is either unverified claims or special treatment by their opposers and most of those are not really doctrinal.
  • Not "failed predictions", but failed interpretations of existing prophecies. "Prediction" suggests an original claim, which they never made. Most Christian religions have such.
  • I think you should also look at the Catholics, Protestants, Baptists and many others about shunning. (Excommunication is exactly that. They just usually do it for internal political reasons, which is much wierder than simply keeping the congregation uncorrupted by bad conduct and incompatible ideas. Seeing as shunning is so pervasive, even in government and businesses, I would hardly call it strange.)
  • Stalking and harassment of oustspoken ex-members? No such policy. Individual people do that against counsel. Talk to Baptists and Catholics about their doctrines of harassing former members. (Again, not strange seeing as everyone with religious ideas tends to want to harass those with other ideas. It is even prevalent in politics and nationalism.) Some claim their "shepherding calls" to be such, but all they do is check by once or twice. If the person does not want to talk to them, they leave. No stalking. No harassment.
  • What religion doesn't have a highly biased translation of any of their text? (Again, not strange.) Besides, the 1984 edition of the NWT translation was recognized as the most accurate translation in the world all the way through 2002, when Jeopardy stated the answer, "It is the most accurate translation in the world", and the contestant said, "What is the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures?"
  • Corruption scandals happen in every religion. These scandals happened a long time ago when there were heads of the congregation and no one to keep them in check. It is extremely rare for JW congregations these days.) Many make unverified and unverifiable claims about corruption against the JW governing body, but nothing ever comes of it except being proven false by actions.
  • Every religion has sex abuse scandals. The question is how they handle them. (Thus my highlighting Catholics moving pedophile priests around.) The issue with JW's is the scripture requirement for having two witnesses to the same sin. Some JW members are waiting for the acceptance of evidence to be considered a tangible witness.

None of these are actual contradictions to the scriptures they profess, which, while contradicting their own scripture is commonplace among most religions, it is still strange given that their scriptures are supposed to be their rulebooks.

Here's what should be highlighted as strange about JW's, only because it is different than most Christian sects:
  • God is not a Trinity
  • Jesus was not God, but the created only-begotten Son of God, and was the archangel Michael before coming to earth.
  • Holy spirit is God's life-giving "active force".
  • God's name, "Jehovah", must be sanctified from Satan's lies.
  • God's sovereign right to rule the universe must be vendicated against Satan's challenge.
  • Jesus died on a pole (stake), not a cross.
  • Jesus was enthroned in heaven in 1914.
  • Satan rules the world of mankind since Adam.
  • Rejection of Christmas and other presumed Christian holidays.
  • The soul is not immortal but ceases to exist at death because of sin and requires resurrection
  • Spirit is just the life force given to living beings (souls), while the soul is the entire being.
  • Hell is the grave, not a place of fiery torment.
  • Jesus gave his perfect human life, obedient to death, perfectly countering the sin (disobedience resulting in death) of the perfect first man, Adam.
  • Most people will be resurrected to a cleansed earth in perfect bodies without the corrupting influence of Satan, not heaven, and then judged according to their deeds from that time on.
  • The specific number of 144,000 "anointed" "holy ones" will be resurrected to heaven to serve as kings and priests with Christ.
  • All other, "false religion", is the Biblical "harlot" called "Babylon the Great".
All of those are extremely strange ideas to those raised in other Christian churches and to just about everyone else.

Here is what can be considered strange about most Christian sects:
  • God is a Trinity, Jesus is God (God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are "not three, but one".)
  • The soul is immortal despite sin earning death.
  • "Resurrection" is a figurative term for an immortal soul being called to a reconciliation with God in heaven or else returning to its body in a paradise in heaven.
  • Hell is a place of fiery torment where Satan tortures immortal souls, either forever or for a specific time, until they have been "cleansed" of sin.
  • God died on the cross in order to take sin away from the world through faith that Jesus is God and has the power to reconcile people to him.
  • The cross is the symbol for Christ that mankind must look to if they want to be saved, despite the Bible's prohibition of idolatry (Worshipping images). Idolatry is pardoned through the cross.
  • A specific country, usually the United States, is God's kingdom, or is the means by which God's kingdom will enter the world.
  • Armageddon will result in the destruction of the entire earth. Then it will be remade. Most believe that mankind will never return to the earth after that.
  • Catholics believe you can earn "absolution" through praying to specific saints a certain number of times for specific sins. If you have enough money, you can buy absolution without the hastle.
  • Calvinists and some others believe that all things have been written by God in advance, including every sin and death, Christian going to heaven and sinner burning in hell.
Perhaps these can prompt some intersting ideas.
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Abub
October 28, 2014 - 10:53am
Indulgences, you mention about catholics I believe was basically a corruption of the church in the middle ages to raise money.  I don't think there is any actual basis in the religion for them.  They are not a practice outside of the dark ages.

SNL had a skit or two about indulgences.
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October 28, 2014 - 11:56am
Actually I have seen reproductions of actual pages from the Watch Tower magazine where they named a particular day in a particular year that was the "end". They have done this twice in the watch tower which is touted as being authoritative mouth piece for god on earth. One has to wonder about that authority when something is predicted like that and it doesn't come true. They also announced a cure for cancer once. These are historic facts but you have to have access to old copies of the magazine to demonstrate them and typically the Watch Tower denies these things out of hand to their sheep and go on with the fleecing.

I beleive one of the explanations given at the time was that Jesus returned spiritually or I could be confusing that with someone esle who made a similar prediction.

I kind of like the old Testament standard for predictive prophecy (note only the minority of prophesy in the bible is predictive) If some predicted something and it did not come to pass the community was to take the obviously false prophet outside the city and stone them to death for the presumption of having spoken on god's behalf when he never told them to. Jehovah Witnesses would be better off today if the leadership of the Watch Tower and Tract Society had gotten a good old fashioned old testament stoning.

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Ascent
October 28, 2014 - 12:31pm
Good one, Abub.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence

I read all the articles about dates, jedion and yes specific dates were mentioned. I did not say they weren't, but they were only twice spoken of as definitive by the article writer. The statements in those articles were not approved by the governing body prior to publication. His name was Raymond Franz, brother of governing body member Frederick Franz. Fred Franz came up with the date, but he was never definitive. He simply calculated 6,000 years from the creation of Adam and wrote that it would be appropriate if Armageddon came in that year, but he did not say it would certainly come in that year. Raymond, who was the lead editor at the time, clung to it and declared it definitive in two later articles. He was eventually removed from the editorial staff for his questionable behavior as an editor. Sour grapes led to Ray going his own way on scriptural matters, even starting a Bible study group to corrupt. He was eventually removed from his position for apostasy and subsequently left the organization. He then railed against the governing body for the rest of his life, never accepting responsibility for his own pride and self-promotion. He spent the rest of his life picking apart every little thing he could knit-pick about the official operations of the headquarters and Jehovah's Witnesses teachings, always making it sound like he had no part in forming those operational procedures or in those articles he wrote about the dates.

After the two articles in question, a fourth article, not specifically mentioning the date, years before the date came around, said that they should not be depending on such dates. The organization steadily improved its article-writing, editing and approval process until now no errors of that type will be found and whatever errors do occur are immediately corrected.
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jedion357
October 28, 2014 - 12:35pm
Ascent wrote:
Good one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence


Not sure why you posted this? Indulgences are actually the fullest development of a slavation based on good works. Money represents labor therefor why not give money in place of doing good works? Donation of money is a good work- giving it to St Jude's or a Children's Hospital today is considered a good work but somehow people giving it to the Catholic church is questionable. Indulgences, though repudiated now, was fully in keeping with Catholic theology of the time.

Of course indulgences were one of the things that deeply bothered Martin Luther and led to the 95 thesies being posted on the Cathedral door. I would point out that Martin Luther was not being the rabble rouser he's made out to be by this act as he posted it in latin, which only the the limited educated class could read, his act equated to posting a noticed on the university bulletin board to spark some "coffee shop" theology. What turned Luther into the herald of the reformation was other theology students reading it, becoming inflamed with it, translating it into German and having it run off at Gutenburgh's new fangled printing press thingy and circulating it in the vulgar tongue such that it became the talk of the water cooler and not a theological discussion amoung academics at university. And the rest was history...

There were other factors besides theology that contributed to the reformation. Like rulers realizing that having their own state religion that they were the head of instead of the Pope could be a good thing and the current level of corruption at the Vatican which had fluctuated over the centuries was pretty rampant at that time. still in the larger scheme of things it was easier to justify the reformation based on bashing the Catholic church for indulgences when it really was a normal expression of its theology.

Wow, that was weird, was I just defending the Catholic Church?
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Ascent
October 28, 2014 - 12:56pm
I sense that this is about a war of religions. Good day, jedion. Peace.

For the record, I highlighted more peculiarites of Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs than Catholics or other religions. Let's not get so personal.

jedion. I did not write the article. I merely posted it, and it is accurate.
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October 28, 2014 - 1:00pm
jedion357 wrote:
I kind of like the old Testament standard for predictive prophecy (note only the minority of prophesy in the bible is predictive) If some predicted something and it did not come to pass the community was to take the obviously false prophet outside the city and stone them to death for the presumption of having spoken on god's behalf when he never told them to. Jehovah Witnesses would be better off today if the leadership of the Watch Tower and Tract Society had gotten a good old fashioned old testament stoning.
This seems a bit over the top and not appropriate to these forums. It constitutes hate speech.
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iggy
October 28, 2014 - 6:38pm
So do osakar get into fights over the religions they adopt or just compare and trade them around over time as they mingle? 
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bossmoss
October 28, 2014 - 9:58pm
I suspect Osakar compare & trade.  They probably treat it the same as their ideas about fashion.

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Ascent
October 29, 2014 - 6:20am
Vestments.
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October 29, 2014 - 9:03am
Ascent wrote:
  • The cross is the symbol for Christ that mankind must look to if they want to be saved, despite the Bible's prohibition of idolatry (Worshipping images). Idolatry is pardoned through the cross.

Most (if not all) Christian churches (Christian not meaning Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Protestant, etc) do not have a cross displayed anywhere. Nor do any of the Morman church/temples. On the other hand, Catholic churches --- in addition to a crucifix --- typically have numerous paintings/reliefs/statues of saints and the virgin Mary etc on display that their congregation often kneel and pray before.
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