what sort of things could possibly be in the humma warrior code?

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jedion357
November 27, 2010 - 11:34pm
the book list "Its a good day to die"

lets brainstorm some ideas
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!
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w00t (not verified)
November 27, 2010 - 11:48pm
Death is only a gateway to glory!

Pain brings the fulfillment of a job well done.

You bring me pain, I bring you Death!


 * Death is always capitalized in humma society.

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jedion357
November 27, 2010 - 11:51pm
I'd ammend the above: "Today is a good day to die for my house/lineage/ the highest one (king)" or even race


I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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Will the Stampede
November 28, 2010 - 11:09am
jedion357 wrote:
I'd ammend the above: "Today is a good day to die for my house/lineage/ the highest one (king)" or even race



As would I, jedi. Also, maybe there's some sort of Humma Valhalla waiting in the afterlife. There might even be a possibility that particularly renowned warriors will occupy a station equal to, or slightly below their god(s).

Moving away from religious rammifications, it would seem to me that clan heads and the Highest One would be chosen from the best warriors amongst their clan/race(or that the clan with the best and bravest warriors automatically become the clan from which the Highest One is chosen).

The Humma are unlikely to take the view that "there are no enemies, only opponents," present in other warrior cultures; given their racial history, they would more than likely, view those who fought against them as enemies and hold grudges against them lasting long after the fighting is done.

Also, it is highly likely the Humma honor code consists of the rule "there are no rules in a fight to the death," especially when dealing with the Sathar. In all likelihood, Humma will fight as dirty as the Sathar(tho less through proxies), employing almost any means necessary, up to and including the use of attack creatures.

In fact, it might even be that, back during the days of war between the clans, one clan may have even genmodded a food creature into the Sathar, and unleashed them against their rivals, with such disastrous results that the hoppers treated them, and their creators, as  anethma.

If this is the case, of course, getting the hoppers to own up to it will ultimately prove hazardous to the health of anyone who does confront them with this.
 
" 'Beware the Beast, Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport, for lust, for greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him; drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of death."

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jedion357
December 3, 2010 - 5:57pm
@ Will- the one religious ramification or insight to humma spirituality is from webtrolls article on the humma (issue 15) concerning the eruditi beleiving the adrenaline rush of combat to be the spirit of a humma warrior moving upon them- something that will be in the finished product as I plan to co-opt his humma clans as Houses and lineages plus create a few more houses and lineages

actually I'm very partial to the idea that warriors who live to see the neuter stage are the ones who are chosen to be the leaders though its not impossible that a male warrior can be voted to a leadership possition if his accomplishments warrant that though among other leaders of the same rank there can be a little snob-ism concerning a possibility of not enough wisdom or maturity yet.

I very much like the idea that the humma elect leaders in much the same way as germanic tribes chose their kings by election.

I've worked on a code/ mantra/ prayer or what ever we should call it:

Krokrik- translates litterally as The Warrior's Bound

For my honor I brawl
For my house (or lineage) I fight
For my race I die

Today is a good day to brawl
Today is a good day to fight
Today is a good day to die

A good brawl is joy to my soul
A good fight is status for my house
A good death is its own reward


a traditional humma benediction: May your life and death have meaning


I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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iggy
November 28, 2010 - 11:29pm
Doesn't the Zeb's Guide Humma "It is a good day to die" predate the STTNG Klingon usage?
-iggy

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jedion357
November 28, 2010 - 11:32pm
iggy wrote:
Doesn't the Zeb's Guide Humma "It is a good day to die" predate the STTNG Klingon usage?
it does and it will be kept in the final code

besides it just sounds cool
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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jedion357
December 3, 2010 - 5:08pm
Will wrote:
....also, it is highly likely the Humma honor code consists of the rule "there are no rules in a fight to the death," especially when dealing with the Sathar.


would a humma even consider that there are rules in any fight unless it was the fight for the right to mate?
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Will the Stampede
December 4, 2010 - 11:51am
jedion357 wrote:
Will wrote:
....also, it is highly likely the Humma honor code consists of the rule "there are no rules in a fight to the death," especially when dealing with the Sathar.


would a humma even consider that there are rules in any fight unless it was the fight for the right to mate?

No.

As a Humma would say,"all's fair in procreation and war."
" 'Beware the Beast, Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport, for lust, for greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him; drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of death."

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parriah
December 8, 2010 - 12:09pm
Elitist And Bully wrote:
jedion357 wrote:
Will wrote:
....also, it is highly likely the Humma honor code consists of the rule "there are no rules in a fight to the death," especially when dealing with the Sathar.


would a humma even consider that there are rules in any fight unless it was the fight for the right to mate?

No.

As a Humma would say,"all's fair in procreation and war."


It would be a situational thing. If the fight is with a rival in  the same clan there will be a stringent, rigidly enforced coed of ethics and accepted and unacceptable actions. A Marquise of Forchirk Rules if you would.
In a Bar brawl, it's simply gouche and uncouth to pull a weapon. However if your opponent(s) are so crass as to do so, you are released from such considerations.
Lawlesness and disorder would be frowned upon and anyone engaging in it would be prosecuted in a court of law.
However, barroom brawling, street brawling and generalized fisticuffs(Hoof-ticuffs?) would be simply expected, much as in Klingon society.
A challenge to a duel for honor outside the clan would be even more stringently regulated. But would be considered a type of judicial proceeding. The outcome being final. Especially if the rules state to the death. A victor in a death match would have the option of sparing the defeated'd life. The defeated then owing the victor a life bebt to be discharged at the victor's discression.

Standing within the clan would be heavily influenced by the individual's puissance and martial prowess. Including war time activities, dueling, and street-bar-brawling. The more victorious, the higher the rank and status.

In war, all would be fair against the enemy. No subtrefuge too base, no deprivation and no massacre too uncivilized to countenence.

The allies of the clan would be considered as honorary clan members with allowences made for mistakes in ettiquite, deportment.

During the campaigning with the hopping 101st of Outpost a Human Lt.,  mistakenly called a scion of Arrius by a name of a known and reviled as a typical sexual act of food animals, but which sounds nearly like his true clan name.
Ordinarly, that would have called for an instant death match, without even formal declerations being made.  But the offended Humma siply said "You are a guest and can be forgiven, but do not make the same mistake too many times or you will die for it."

MEAT, are not even accorded the status of an enemy. Such ststus would be too much honor to that despised  species. No Humma will discuss what the Sathar did to them beforehand, buit any one can tell exactly how low in esteem they are held.
Excrement scrapped from one's boots is thought of more kindly. No act of bravery or dereing do will raise the Sathar's status, but rather encite greater hatred in a Humma who sees it happen.


More later, I gotta go now.

Cool beans that somebody else likes my fav aliens in SF!
FIAWOL TANSTAAFL!!

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parriah
December 8, 2010 - 12:11pm
BTW, Jed, I LIKE the mantra, I have officially adopted it for all my Humma and it shall be known as the Jedion code!~CoolWink
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jedion357
December 8, 2010 - 5:55pm
parriah wrote:
BTW, Jed, I LIKE the mantra, I have officially adopted it for all my Humma and it shall be known as the Jedion code!~CoolWink



Laughing

And thanks for joining in.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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w00t (not verified)
December 8, 2010 - 9:19pm
parriah, so glad you could contribute.
I'm excited about the end product we'll be making!

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parriah
December 9, 2010 - 8:02am
There's an old Cajun saying that applies here
"I sho am glad fo you to see me!"
FIAWOL TANSTAAFL!!

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parriah
December 9, 2010 - 8:24am
The Huma battle codes would be tightly, if not inextricably linked with all honor in the society.
BTW I have a VERY different society worked out than the one which was published in the SF Man. I am polishing it up and will submit it ASAP.
For those of you who know me, it is written mostly from the standpoint of a personal History of my fav PC Fafhd

or Multzchilde Fafhd of Glaxx.
The houses are based on descent. The individual id named for its mother. An individual who is the child, fathered by the same individual who birthed the first individual is called  brother, no matter which sexual phaze it is in. eg., Dingus gives birth to Blatt. Thet chils would be Dinguschilde Blatt of(whatever the house is). When Dingus sires another child, Hisssst, it is named for the mother, but Hissst and Blatt are Brothers.The progenitor of the line is also the namesake. Arius was at one time a person who split off from their house and started a new one. This is dangerous because the new houses are fair game. The old house should be linked, even supportive, but the new house must stand alone in vendettas and business, Both of which are equally as linked as the Honor codes of battle and society in general. However the support is not required, especially if the split was inemical or even opposed by the Matriarch of the House.
The Houses band tightly together to form the clans. Which can, but rarely do, split up too.
There are a lot of Kirasawa like tales of Parriah scions founding dynasties and exacting revenge on the evil matriarchs and elders of corrupt and decedant Houses. Also there tales of foolish (prodigal sons) scions who try to found a new House with disasterous results. Whether ther scion lives and retursn to beg forgivness and re enstatement in the House depends on the lesson being taught. Depending on the foolishness and or depravity of the scion.
Think about La Cosa Nostra, Yakuza, Not Triads tho, and to some small extent, Samurai and Scottish clans.

I really gotta get my thing done and entered for publication! ;)

BTW
Its a good day to die, but a better one to make the other SOB's die!
FIAWOL TANSTAAFL!!

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parriah
December 9, 2010 - 8:23am
Sorry, I get used to spelling my Tag, and forgot pariah has only one r.
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parriah
December 9, 2010 - 8:27am
Only seriously out of sync (with society) Humma fight to Mate, usually the matings are arranged by the Matriarchs of the houses. Of course the Individual has the right to refuse, but must give excellent reasons.

"I don't Love him(her) simply wouldn't exist.
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jedion357
December 9, 2010 - 11:29am
Currious, why do you keep saying matriarch?- if a humma transitions to male after birthing one young  there would simply be no older females only males and eventually neuters.

"Its a good day to die, but a better one to make the other SOB's die!" Was that a quote from House Patton?

BTW I think the humma would be big fans of George C Scott as Patton.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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parriah
December 10, 2010 - 8:15am
They become a sterile female after fathering a child

Born female
give birth
become neuter female till death
therefore. the elders, unless they refused to father a child, (socially just not done, but a few good reasons are accepted) are all female and the head of a house and clan are females.
FIAWOL TANSTAAFL!!

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parriah
December 10, 2010 - 8:17am
"When Humma approach 170 years of age they undergo another change into a neuter stage and remain neuter until death. "
quote from Zeb's
changing back into female neuter is my own take, but it makes more sense to me that way.
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