 July 22, 2009 - 1:10am | Refer to: TT-456 Container Ship A revamp of the canon HS:5 freighter as seen on the inside cover of the SF/KH:0 Warriors of White Light module. This ship has been rendered in an intermediate scale...prior deckplans have been done at 20 pixel and 75 pixel squares, this one is drafted on a 40 pixel square. I also dropped the scale to one square = one meter, rather than my usual 1.5 meter square grids. Check out the vrusk and yazirian figures that I modified from ColonialChrome.co.uk Star Wars deckplan figures. http://starfrontiers.us/node/3452 Other KH deckplans --- I recently uploaded a pf:100 era scout ship I designed for the Historic Adventure campaign I'm working on. While this is an "historic" design, it can be easily adapted for the more modern KH/AD settings simply by updating the computer info on the spec sheet. Like the latest addition (container ship), I also {ahem} borrowed and reduced to scale some CC.co.uk deck plan figures in this one, check out the lounging gal on the couch in the Crew Deck and the seated crew members on the bridge and computer decks, as well as the "wandering" crewmen scattered about the decks. Also check out the Eorna heavy fighter from my SF2KH "Liberation of Volturnus" post-Volturnus adventure, and the Courier Scout which is a full on original SF/KH "decks perpendicular" rendition of the Traveler Scout/Courier that in no way resembles the copyright protected version, aside from basic functions and concepts. http://starfrontiers.us/node/3471 ...and in the "parallel to main axis" section I've uploaded a few novelty items, some of which are intended for the aforementioned Historic Adventure campaign as many system ships can land on planets and as such would have this configuration, moreso considering the revamp I did for the chemical drives and fuel/speed calculations with an average "top speed" ranging from 18-24 hexes per turn, in order to reserve sufficient fuel to slow back down (the ships would spend the bulk of the journey in zero G coasting so decks perpendicular isn't as convenient). Check out the Courier and Fair Trader/Fast Trader, adapted from the Traveller Scout/Courier and Far Trader respectively; the Merchant Courier (modified from the mock Traveller Courier) and ST-260 light freighter, the PT-250 Stratus class transport (adapted from the WEG Star Wars YT-250 "Kundali" yacht), and an historic throwback to my first ever SF ship that I penned before the KH box set was released --- the Aquillian Starling. http://starfrontiers.us/node/3471 |
 July 22, 2009 - 4:53am | Nicely done! I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
 July 22, 2009 - 7:47pm | Very nice. The deck layout gives it that cramped area look a ship should have. And it looks like you made use of some other areas of the ship as well. In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same. |
July 25, 2009 - 4:04am | Thanks! Yeah, that's why it's getting nowhere! |
 July 27, 2009 - 7:04pm | You're running into our old friend, the KH scaling issue. The volume on the larger HS just gets big fast and you're hard pressed to fill all the room. Ad Astra Per Ardua! My blog - Expanding Frontier Webmaster - The Star Frontiers Network & this site Founding Editor - The Frontier Explorer Magazine Managing Editor - The Star Frontiersman Magazine |
July 28, 2009 - 8:20pm | Yep, there's definitely far more ship than systems you can fill it with. I should probably track down a Traveller Azhanti High Lightning book and see how they did it, that's about a HS:12-14 vessel IIRC Granted that'll no doubt be a "decks parallel to main axis" plan, but still...it's a slew of space to fill and I could use a few ideas LOL |
 July 30, 2009 - 6:30pm | Traveller Azhanti High Lightning. Granted that'll no doubt be a "decks parallel to main axis" plan, but still...it's a slew of space to fill and I could use a few ideas LOL Actually AHL and Broadsword were some of the very few Traveller deck plans that are "decks perpendicular to main axis". AHL class ships have 84 decks as originally laid out. |
August 2, 2009 - 2:47am | Interesting. I'd seen Broadsword deck plans online before (the 800T Mercenary Cruiser IIRC), and had searched for AHL deck plans online but only found one set that wasn't overly detailed, and it was decks-parallel. I'll definitely start looking for that AHL book though if it's decks-perpendicular. I remember it was referenced in one of the Dragon articles --- IIRC that two part article that promised UPF frigate deck plans (UPFS PeniPedicord, the terror of the space lanes) but never delievered, entitled "Big Guns" or "Command a Titan" or something to that effect. |
 August 2, 2009 - 7:01am | Those are a two-part Polyhedron (RPGA Network) article series called "Big Ships" by Roger E. Moore. The first article is "Take Command of a Titan" and the second is "Of Great Ships and Captains". Also, Penny Petticord (Now Williams) did the Star Questions and the Sage Advice columns in Dragon Magazine, but she never designed any Star Frontiers material. (I've worked with her on a magazine project and even had brief interactions with her husband, Skip Williams. I believe I still have her email address.) She only likes fantasy. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
August 2, 2009 - 9:44am | Interesting. I'd seen Broadsword deck plans online before (the 800T Mercenary Cruiser IIRC), and had searched for AHL deck plans online but only found one set that wasn't overly detailed, and it was decks-parallel. I'll definitely start looking for that AHL book though if it's decks-perpendicular. I remember it was referenced in one of the Dragon articles --- IIRC that two part article that promised UPF frigate deck plans (UPFS PeniPedicord, the terror of the space lanes) but never delievered, entitled "Big Guns" or "Command a Titan" or something to that effect. You can get an electronic copy of the AHL board game from www.drivethrurpg.com for ten dollars. Look under GDW Traveller Board Games. You might find a hard copy of the game from www.nobleknight.com, but it would not be cheap. |
August 3, 2009 - 3:03pm | Yeah I just discovered how "proud" owners are of that supplement...about $100 on the average.  I don't think I have half of that invested in my entire Star Frontiers collection (which is pretty much everything published save for the two UK modules and the two 2001 games) Interesting on Petticord, I remember when I read the hard copy the first time way back when that the ship was named after her, and knew she was somehow affiliated with TSR or gaming or some sector at the time, and got a chuckle from it then. Cool that you got to interact with her and Skip. |
August 3, 2009 - 4:26pm | That's because she used to be with Ed Greenwood who has done some Star Frontiers stuff. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
August 3, 2009 - 6:07pm | Yeah I just discovered how "proud" owners are of that supplement...about $100 on the average. The drawings in the supplement are small and leave out most of the detail. You really need the deck plans to see any detail. |
 August 21, 2009 - 4:50pm | Dude, 12 comments and NO ONE mentioned the half naked chick in the bunk???? I just about peed myself laughing! Some freighter jockie smuggling his space trash like a trucker with a lot lizard. Priceless! Oh, and the dude on the john is a good one too. Great touch on the score Shadow Shack. I love the art work. The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of
the strong. * Attributed to Mahatma Gandhi |
August 22, 2009 - 3:15am | Yeah I got a kick out of those too, and as much as I'd like to take credit for them most of those characters were snatched from the colonialchrome site. The vrusk and the robots are my own though. |
August 22, 2009 - 8:45pm | I simply didn't study it closely. I saw the ship appearance and level diagram and a couple of levels and glazed or scrolled over the rest. It's a good design. However, I was married to one of the hottest women I've ever seen, so I guess once you've had such beauty, nothing really grabs your attention except someone else of equal or greater beauty. Digression: I just feel like sharing (There's not much action taking place on these boards, so this will keep it interesting for your enjoyment  ). When you snag a woman like
that, you brag, whether married to or divorced from her. The only ones I can imagine of greater beauty are Angelina Jolie, Denise Richards, the movie actress of hespanic descent that I can never remember the name of (it's a long name), and one black actress whose name I don't know (By the way, my ex was black and I'm white; though she loves hanging with cocoa, she seemed to prefer vanilla over chocolate due to some bad experiences with cocoa [see below1]). Name any other actress or model and my ex-wife was hotter in my opinion, until she gained 30 pounds (which didn't bother me any. She grew proportionately and was still beautiful. She was 36(B)-24-36 when I met her and is 5'3". I think she grew to 38(C)-30-38).She's my EX-wife because, despite her normally near perfect personality and hottness when she wasn't upset, when she was upset she had a nasty temper and could light into me for hours (I ended up having a mild heart attack at 29 due to the stress, ironically, while we were "getting busy" and I fell over on the floor. Apparently it was due to the weekend warrior syndrome), and she only bedded me typically only once every 1-3 months (Thus my lack of exercise. Though it almost made up for the wait when it happened). She was severely bipolar and had pathetic sexual experiences(1) when she was younger that colored her view of the deed. Though I'm not one of them. She loved it as much as me when it happened, if not more (On one occasion, there wasn't a surface in the house she didn't drag me to for 3 days in a row. But I think that's because I didn't wear her out the first time, as was my usual custom). Believer it or not, I taught her (My teenage years were spent studying all the wrong books, or all the right ones, depending on your point of view). In fact, she knew next to nothing about it before we were married. The most important thing was teaching her to communicate with her hands and her words. Once she learned that, it was a whole new game. She chose me because the perfect guy (for any girl), who was quite a bit younger than her (by almost a decade), was already taken and she liked me because she thought I was intelligent, mature, and older than she was (though she ended up labeling me "the dumbest smart guy I ever met" ©2001). I was actually 2 years younger than her. Note that I said she liked me. She claims to have never been in love with me and had never experienced love with anyone, not knowing what it was like. Though I think she did experience it with her previous boyfriend from a couple years earlier, and just didn't want to admit it. I think her happy homemaker side showed some real love toward me in my opinion, but I can't be certain. If only she wasn't bipolar, I'd still be married to her right now, and happily.  View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
August 22, 2009 - 6:30pm | Heh, I have to wonder if anyone noticed the women of ill repute pictured on the 2nd cantina map now in the architecture project: http://starfrontiers.us/downloads/3498    I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
 August 22, 2009 - 6:45pm | Sigh...two words, boys: Cold. Shower. Or, male menopause strikes again. "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
August 22, 2009 - 7:05pm | What? I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
August 22, 2009 - 8:14pm | Don't look at me ... Shadow Shack started it.   Great pics, jedion. Cleavage and tushy are ay okay with me.  Though CG is lacking the alive look.  I don't recall looking at the one you mentioned, though. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
August 22, 2009 - 8:16pm | Actually I just saved those pics from: http://rpgmapshare.com/ to use in my mapping software I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
August 23, 2009 - 3:42pm | Actually Georgie started it...I merely displayed something that went unseen until that point! I think Sonny (Chaz Palminteri) said it best in A Bronx Tale: "You're only allowed three great women in your lifetime." |
August 23, 2009 - 1:27pm | Well the thing is, my ex wasn't enhanced at all. All natural. Also, Angelina Jolie is not enhanced (As seen in the shear beuty of the daughter she gave birth to; she's probably going to grow up to be the most beautiful woman ever photographed or painted). Denise Richards is, but the other two were also all natural. Not everyone in Hollywood gets enhanced. Most wait until their faces start falling apart with old age before they start enhancing. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
August 24, 2009 - 5:24am | That may absolve the plastic end (although you never know for sure until you cop a feel...re: Silicon Valley), but have you seen them without the paint? |
August 24, 2009 - 9:36am | Yes. Angelina, Denise, and the Hispanic actress. They're all hot without their makeup. I haven't seen the black actress without makeup, but I'm certain she's just as beautiful. My ex without makeup was also extremely beautiful. Though her hair in the morning was a horrid mess, but such is the nature of black people's hair. It takes a lot of work to tame it. If you ever noticed, Angelina and Denise don't typically wear much more than base and their lipstick is the same color as their lips to even out the tone (same with the Hispanic actress and the black actress). Angelina, like me, has a chapping problem with her lips (the problem with full lips and being the silent type; people who don't talk a lot produce a lot of saliva, and those that kiss a lot get chapped lips), but that doesn't bother me at all. My ex has some acne scars from her youth, but that doesn't show that she's not as pretty. That's why they created base, to cover over the skin blemishes. Skin blemishes don't make a woman ugly, unless you happen to be extremely vain about skin. Really, it seems to me that less than 1% of women actually have flawless skin. It's usually the eye makeup that changes the woman (though occasionally lipstick is used to make some women's lips look fuller than they really are), but for women with large eyes, which all those I mentioned, including my wife, have large eyes (Angelina's being more broad than tall), makeup makes little difference. Scarlet Johannson, I think, looks prettier without makeup, though while her breasts are all natural, I suspect she has had hormone therapy, which is usually the first resort of actresses looking to enlarge their breasts, unless they're just completely flat to begin with. Before she had all that nasty surgery, Pamela Anderson would have been on my list above (she was all natural super beauty), but Tommy Lee screwed her up. Now she looks like a nasty hag to me. A dolly parton with no excuse for the way she looks. But the fact is, makeup and surgery aren't as common in hollywood to augment looks as people think. Makeup is everywhere, but few in hollywood actually need it to look good (All you have to do is look in the Enquirer to know how they look without makeup, as the majority of stars don't seem to worry about it outside of an acting or modeling gig). The only reason people get the impression that surgery is used so much is because of the surgery those stars end up having when they start showing age, to remove bags and wrinkles, or because of the exceptions like Pamela Anderson and Michael Jackson. Angelina is at the age where she will need surgery to maintain her eyes (She's my age; I think she may have had an eye revitalization a year or two ago, but not an augmentation), and maybe the Hispanic actress, but Denise and the black actress are still a few years away from needing such procedures. I don't count libosuction as "plastic surgery" or even augmentation. Besides, a lot of stars look so good because of healthy or starvation diets and exercise, because they can afford personal trainers and life coaches. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
August 24, 2009 - 3:49pm | I don't count libosuction as "plastic surgery" or even augmentation. Try convincing your insurance company on that one. As retarded as it is, no insurance company will approve a liposuction, which starts at $1000 and goes up depending on what and how much needs to be sucked. Yet they won't bat an eye for covering a $40K+ stomach stapling surgery. |
August 24, 2009 - 5:23pm | That's because it's not considered a lifesaving procedure. Stapling, on the other hand, curbs appetite, which staves off weight increase, which is considered life-threatening. Also, liposuction does not have a satisfactory record among the common populous, as it can result in nasty-looking blobs around where the liposuction was done if the person does not keep their weight down while they heal. So liposuction does nothing to halt or reverse a life-threating condition (Stomach stapling, lapband, and gastric bypass do) and it can be particularly dangerous for anyone who is obese. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
August 25, 2009 - 1:15am | That's because it's not considered a lifesaving procedure. Stapling, on the other hand, curbs appetite, which staves off weight increase, which is considered life-threatening. Also, liposuction does not have a satisfactory record among the common populous, as it can result in nasty-looking blobs around where the liposuction was done if the person does not keep their weight down while they heal. So liposuction does nothing to halt or reverse a life-threating condition (Stomach stapling, lapband, and gastric bypass do) and it can be particularly dangerous for anyone who is obese. Not to mention embolisms.... "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
August 25, 2009 - 4:47am | Ah, so it is cosmetic augmentation...  |
August 25, 2009 - 11:29am | Lol. Yeah, for people who want to look like CHUD. Really, though, the discussion wasn't about whether it was a cosmetic procedure, but whether it was an enhancing procedure. I don't consider it the latter, because it is simply removing fat. If you call that enhancement, then anyone who has gained or lost weight is "enhanced". Oh look! We all are! View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
August 25, 2009 - 3:26pm | Wow, another comeback. "Hey, you're fat." "I'm not fat. My belly's just been enhanced." "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
