 February 18, 2018 - 1:41am | Refer to: Book 1 - The Core Four & the Founding of the Frontier. I have two major problems with the Time Line as it is written in Zeb's...well, two in the span I have chosen for this portion of the project. #1> Vrusk & Dralasites meet for the first time in 410PF, Vrusks & Humans meet for the first time in 350PF. Why, with the Vrusks knowing of both Dralasites and Humans, does it take another 50 years for all three to finally meet? #2> White Light is founded around 60PF (I don't recall the exact date but thereabouts) yet the WoWL module states that it was founded by Humans migrating from Theseus. The module also states that the Leotine family has ruled White Light for nearly 400 years. If the module takes place circa 60 FY (safe assumption as Dramune Run takes place shortly afterwards and that is listed as 61FY in the Gullwind's log), that translates to the Leotine line ruling since 340 PF (ten years after the vrusk meet the humans). Assuming the Leotine line founded Clarion, that's the latest we can have for this correction. #3> Cassidine is not mentioned anywhere in Zeb's time line until the First Sathar War. I would posit that this is either a Vrusk or Dralasite homeworld (I'm leaning toward vrusk since Fromeltar is discovered long before in-between Cass & Fromeltar's Dramune). The downside to this is neither Triad or Cassidine sound very vruskish (let alone dralsitic). Which means at the very it has to be least discovered by humans and inserted into the time line somewhere. ________________________________________ Disregarding #1 (it's more trivial than anything, we can still work with the huge gap...I just find it disturbingly excessive), Theseus definitely has to be bumped much further back in history. I would at the minimum posit the vrusk met humans (let's say they were in frozen berths abourd a chemical drive ship that had been coasting for a century+) in the (yet discovered or named) Theseus system and humans colonized it right away. One of those humans should be Leotus Valentine (the first, senior, blah blah blah let's just stick with suffix-less Leotus Valentine) who leads an expidition to White Light shortly afterwards. #3 needs a lot of work. |
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 February 18, 2018 - 4:45pm | I think we agree with the problems of the Zeb's timeline. I think both Cassidine and Triad are colonies, not home worlds. I don't think any of the Core Four's home planets should be in the "Frontier" otherwise we'd be talking about the Vrusk or Dralasite dominion. I would also point to one of the mega-corporation's names -- Cassidine Development Corporation. It sounds like a firm that would have been originally created to develop -- you guessed it -- the planet Cassidine. I'd use the non-Zeb's canon timeline project that was developed on this site as a replacement. Maybe that should be a submission to a future Frontier Explorer issue. But, I need to read the rest of your posts! Joe Cabadas |
February 18, 2018 - 10:02pm | As loathe as I am to stick to Zeb's I am doing so for the sake of "keeping it canon". Still, as noted, that isn't always possible because "canon Zeb's" doesn't rely or agree with "canon AD/KH". |
February 18, 2018 - 10:26pm | As loathe as I am to stick to Zeb's I am doing so for the sake of "keeping it canon". Still, as noted, that isn't always possible because "canon Zeb's" doesn't rely or agree with "canon AD/KH". then you face schizophrenia  Joe Cabadas |
February 19, 2018 - 1:12am | Wait, what was I thinking...Zeb's as canon LOL I had been breathing too much welding fumes today prior to concocting that one. I'm back to a clear state of mind again. I think both Cassidine and Triad are colonies, not home worlds. I don't think any of the Core Four's home planets should be in the "Frontier" otherwise we'd be talking about the Vrusk or Dralasite dominion. I would also point to one of the mega-corporation's names -- Cassidine Development Corporation. It sounds like a firm that would have been originally created to develop -- you guessed it -- the planet Cassidine. Cassidine is the system, Triad is the planet (with Rupert's Hole being the other planet...boy howdy, we all thought "Gollywog" was a bad name). I'm more inclined to have those worlds be colonies as well. I agree that "homeworlds" are off the menu, these races merely drifted into this sector and met. I still think it's odd that it took another 50 years for humans and drals to meet though, when the vrusk knew the existence of both. Granted teh bugs might have had reservations about the humans (confirmed later on via the rebellion that led to the humanization of Kdikit). I think there's a good story somewhere here about humans and bugs not trusting each other. Wow, those fumes must have been bad. I'm shaking my head reading what I wrote... |
February 19, 2018 - 7:36am | Sorry, you are right about Cassidine... I didn't double check the system and planets, Keep away from fumes. And, the "Canon non-Zeb's Guide Timeline" effort ditches -- you got it -- Zeb's for what was in the modules and other sources. www.starfrontiers.us/node/9300 Now, I know jedion posted the completed non-canon timeline elsewhere, but it didn't come up on a quick search. Joe Cabadas |
 February 19, 2018 - 4:45pm | Re 50 years to meet the neighbors. Sounds like a situation where chem drives rule ion drive exceedingly rare and no atomic drive. But you are right it makes no sense 5 years yes 10 years maybe but 50? I call humma wash on that. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
February 19, 2018 - 6:45pm | Re 50 years to meet the neighbors. Sounds like a situation where chem drives rule ion drive exceedingly rare and no atomic drive. But you are right it makes no sense 5 years yes 10 years maybe but 50? I call humma wash on that. It took the astrogators a while to figure out the route. Joe Cabadas |
February 19, 2018 - 10:10pm | It took the astrogators a while to figure out the route.
As of 350PF Vruskan astrogators knew of both routes. Therein lies the problem...it takes another 50 years for the other two to meet. This suggests only one thing: vrusk didn't like to share, which ultimately led to the fight over Kdikit. Chemical drives should definitely be the norm in this period with ion tech being the new deal. |
February 20, 2018 - 10:33am | As of 350PF Vruskan astrogators knew of both routes. Therein lies the problem...it takes another 50 years for the other two to meet. This suggests only one thing: vrusk didn't like to share, which ultimately led to the fight over Kdikit. Now that makes sense. Joe Cabadas |
February 20, 2018 - 2:08pm | I made a few changes to the "canon" time line based on this discussion so far (I still need to mine the "Non-Zeb's Canon" link for ideas, was an actual time line ever hashed out from that thread?): > A Vruskan exploration vessel discovers a vintage chemical driven transport filled with frozen storage berths containing hundreds of humans in what will later become dubbed as the in the Theseus system, this first contact occurs in 350PF. Humans colonize planet Minotaur immediately. > Having reverse engineering & developing ion drives, humans discover the White Light system in 346PF Leotus Valentine is elected as ruler of planet Gollywog, and a century passes under Leotine rule before the citizens rename the planet "Clarion"...however the name Gollywog remains throughout the Frontier sector as an insult to the swampy back water world and many navigators continue to refer to it as such. > Dralasites, Vrusks, & Humans meet for the first time in the Cassidine system in 300PF, planet Triad is established as the first colony for all three races that same year. The "Cassidine Development Company" (CaDCo) is founded and becomes the first multi-species business venture. CADCO eventually grows into a megacorporation two centuries later and changes their name to Cassidine Development Corporation. > Madderly's Star discovered by joint venture of Vrusks & Humans in 210 PF. Having discovered the vrusk knew of the existence of both humans and dralasites for 50 years and not sharing that info with the other two races, the humans created the Freeworld Rebellion five years later which results in defeating the vrusk and establishing Kdikit as a human world. The rest remains the same but is certainly still subject to change. This nixes the 299FY founding of Theseus and also allows for White Light to match the time frame as described in the module (instead of Zeb's founding in 60PF). |
February 22, 2018 - 7:34am | SFman #16 has an early timeline that was my effort to clean up the problems with the Zebs time line and give a good explanation of the founding of the Frontier. I'm adding a edited one version of just the article to the downloads section here I think when we package your 4 books it should be under: "The Age of Colonization" with the appropriate title from each of the four books as a subtitle. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
