Yazirian Weapons

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jedion357
January 17, 2018 - 10:06am
working out the background for a PC I was thinking through the possibilities of yazirian weapons for my character and wanted to choose something that would make sense for my character not what was my bias as a player.

To that end this is a catalog of yazirian weapons

Zamra: top of the list because its cannon
article introducing it included a dice mechanic for determining if a starting yazirian chracter had skill with it and how much. Honor weapon used in gliding duels and I would consider it the birth right of all yazirians. issues of honor if your special one was lost and required for engagin a life enemy.

Disc Grenades
Seen in SFman and reviewed in FE. These are the natural application of modern technology to the yazirian zamra or a smart marketing ploy on the part of WarTech. Therefore I consider them a yazirian weapon and they take advantage of any throwing skill developed for the zamra.

The tri barrel gyrojet rifle
As seen on the cover of the AD basic game book and statted out in SFman it was characterized as a yazirian weapon simply because a yaz was portrayed using it on the book cover. I like it as a weapon of yazirian origin- and perhaps gyro-jets while having an abortive history among humans (real world history that is) saw great popularity among yazirians kind of making them a default yaz weapon and this the ultimate expression of gyro-jet weaponry close to on par with the hvy machine gun and hvy laser just not requiring the tripod mounts of those weapons
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jedion357
January 17, 2018 - 11:04am
Khad'dan honor sword is the creation of Mathew Crymbal on the 90's list serve and saw some development by Darren Patton as well. It is of late, something I've championed, not just because its cool but because in a phone conversation with Matt I was swayed by his resonning for creating it.

Reason 1. the existing honor blade cannot be used with the yazirian's vaunted battle rage being a thrown weapon and battle rage only benefits melee weapons. It stands to reason that the yazirians had a favored melee weapon

Reason 2: their ability score modifiers -10 to STR/STA and +5 to DEX/RS would mean the yazirians would not favor a big heavy bruiser type weapon but more likely something their tall size and natural dexterity would benefit.

Reason 3: being naturally of a fewer number of STA points they will want a weapon that can end a combat quick

real world inspiration: the kukuri or ghurka knife if you will. its has a heavy end to the blade that allows it to chow clean through small trees. a sword sized version in the hands of the tall yazirian would lop clean through a limb or even a neck and thus end a combat rather quick

thus the Khad'dan was born and honor sword that can be thrown although loss of it is a great shame.it has the same stats as a regular sword but with one caveat that Matt and I discussed: if a yaz is using a sword emblazoned with his clan symbol and or was given to him by his clan elders than any attempts at battle rage for an honorable purpose is at +5% to the attempt.

I have further made khad'dan popular among clans not so flavorable to the heavy handed rule of the Fo1, whether or not they still practice the belief of the Fo1 religion or not. Thus they are very popular on my version of Athor.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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jedion357
January 17, 2018 - 1:52pm
The Fo1 Inquisitor hasnt been fully fleshed out. My conception has been they are a mix of priest and direct action enforcer or perhaps mix of priest/enforcer/communist era political officer.

So that said they probably could use a standard weapon.

Two thoughts on this:

1. A staff like a bishops staff with a Fo1 symbol atop that doubles as a electric sword. It invokes a certain Imperial Guard feel. I feel like an inquisitor should have more of a kick your butt and take names latter so the staff sized electric sword could be reserved for higher level officials/ sort of a staff of office maybe within the Fo1.

2. Gyrojet pistol. Previously its been discussed of gyrojet technology that perhaps it saw distinct development among the yazirians whereas in real world the tech was dropped and one might presume something similar amoung game setting humans. 

The standard side arm of an inquisitor would be a Fo1 issued gyrojet pistol complete with Fo1 crest/symbol on the handle.

The only purpose for the Fo1 crest on the pistol is a bit of foreshadowing- NPC has one so players should be on notice he's supposed to be tough. 
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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rattraveller
January 17, 2018 - 5:12pm
First despite what Star Trek Klingons would have us believe Honor weapons are only used by the warrior class of a race. Even at extremes this would be less than 5% of the total male population. More typically around 1%. Even among that class only the elites would have handed down Honor weapons. Most of the "troops" would not be from warrior class families. The Kurki (knife used by the Gurkhas) is an exception in that it is a utility knife used for tasks other than combat much like the ulu used by the Inuit which is not used for combat.

Second What's with all the metal? A race of tree gliders would have wood as a basis for weapons not all metal throwing disks or swords. I suggest a mostly wooden weapon that could be thrown for hunting or combat and used in melee combat or honor duels depending on the situation would be something close to the ilkwa or the iwisa.
Ilkwa is the Zulu stabbing spear. While not meant to be thrown it could be.
Iwisa is a club used by the Zulu made entirely of hardwood. Again not meant to be thrown but the Yazirian version would be.

Third Forget Gyrojet weapons. Reason kickback. Yazirians are the lightest race and the only ones who fire while in the air. Any weapon with a kickback will effect Yazirians more than the other races. You might say gyrojets have limited kickback since the rocket ignites after leaving the weapon but it still has kickback from the round leaving the barrel. Now laser weapons have no kickback. They are also less bulky and therefore easier for a gliding race to use.
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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jedion357
January 17, 2018 - 6:49pm
Clearly the yaz went thru an iron age before getting to the space age and the economy on Hargut is dominated by resource gathering (presumbably) mining. So i dont see a problem with all the metal. Any primitive culture that has been using stone tools and encounters metal variants quickly tries to obtain metal tools. I dont really see yaz not upgrading to metal as that techology tree becomes available.

And somewhere along the way, before their space age the likely developed some firearm long before beam weapons. So bullets or gyro-jets. The kickback isnt really an issue: they dont spend that much time gliding as appised to walking aroung. They'll clearly refrain from shooting during gliding although the canon article with the zamra states they duel with the zamra while gliding which seems more problematic to me but its canon so i dont make an issue. 

A modern Fo1 bad arse Inquisitor is probably going to need a modern weapon. He's in peopkes faces so its likely a pistol. It could be any off the equipment list i figure match it to something else that has been linked to yazirians hence the gyro-jet pistols. 

Im not against any of the primitive weapons you suggested. In fact a wooden zamra that presaged the metal one makes sense especially since the article about the zamra mentioned practice zamras if im remembering correctly. 
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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JCab747
January 31, 2018 - 6:46pm
jedion357 wrote:
Khad'dan honor sword is the creation of Mathew Crymbal on the 90's list serve and saw some development by Darren Patton as well. It is of late, something I've championed, not just because its cool but because in a phone conversation with Matt I was swayed by his resonning for creating it. ...


I like this.
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JCab747
January 31, 2018 - 6:47pm
jedion357 wrote:
The Fo1 Inquisitor hasnt been fully fleshed out. My conception has been they are a mix of priest and direct action enforcer or perhaps mix of priest/enforcer/communist era political officer... 


Yes! Flesh this out!
Joe Cabadas

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JCab747
January 31, 2018 - 6:55pm
rattraveller wrote:
First ... Honor weapons are only used by the warrior class of a race...

Second What's with all the metal? A race of tree gliders would have wood as a basis for weapons not all metal throwing disks or swords. I suggest a mostly wooden weapon that could be thrown for hunting or combat and used in melee combat or honor duels depending on the situation would be something close to the ilkwa or the iwisa...

Third Forget Gyrojet weapons. Reason kickback. ....


Good points (I'll be reading jedion's response in a moment, so I'm writing this feedback "untainted").

Honor weapons would be more of a rarity, though given modern Frontier society and mass production, I'd bet many Yazarians would want "honor weapons" that are more used for decoration or ceremony because they all view themselves as a race of soldiers. Granted in more militant communities, they might discourage or outlaw those who aren't real warriors from possessing honor weapons.

Yes, early weapons and traditionalists might use wood, but modern Yazarians are well into a more industrial outlook. Why use wood when forged metal is so much better. Or even a monofilament honor blade?

Maybe the recoil from gyrojets is bad, but would it be any worse than a standard slug thrower? Lasers are good, but expensive -- especially when it comes to paying for those powerclips when compared to more traditional ammo.
Joe Cabadas

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jedion357
January 31, 2018 - 7:46pm
JCab747 wrote:
jedion357 wrote:
The Fo1 Inquisitor hasnt been fully fleshed out. My conception has been they are a mix of priest and direct action enforcer or perhaps mix of priest/enforcer/communist era political officer... 


Yes! Flesh this out!


actually I did do some work on this in the Thought Police Archetype FE #12 but I feel like the inquisitor could be fleshed out more.

new thread here: http://www.starfrontiers.us/node/9976

RE: metal weapons vs wood: any society the effected a star exodus like the yazirians did then they also went through iron, industrial and post modern periods before they got to an active space age. wooden weapons are heirlooms of the clan at best or something a yaz does to get back to his roots.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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rattraveller
February 4, 2018 - 7:03am
Wood vs Metal some thoughts.

Metal weapons would be easier to mass produce (heck super hard plastic like kelvar would be easier) and could be made like Honor weapons but this does not mean they are truly Honor wepaons. Katanas were mass produced for Japanese Imperial Army Officers before and during WWII. They were given the honor of carrying them into battle but do not meet the definition presented of handed down honor weapons.

Using Katanas again you can find them for $20 US. These are not honor weapons. The material and craftmanship is not there. To be a true honor weapon that a family would want to hand down it should be made of the original materials by a master craftsman. Modern knockoffs would only be scoffed at.

Of course this does not mean more modern weapons cannot be honor weapons. The Colt M1911A1. You instantly recognized it in your mind. The design is over 100 years old and is still amazinlgly popular. I would consider handed down originals to be an honor weapons. Laser pistols of a particular make with a distinctive history would make the cut. Oh you could say the same for the Colt .45 six shooter, the 9mm Luger, the M1 Garrand, the Brown Bess musket, the Cutlass, the Gladius or maybe something bigger like the M1 Sherman, the Egyptian War Chariot and the Trebuchet.
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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jedion357
February 5, 2018 - 9:53am
Nothing says metal yazirian honor weapons are mass produced.

I agree that mass produced does not have the same chache as something handed down.

One of the orginal stories about the Kahdan involved a yazirian merc who killed another yazirian merc and he made a point of taking the Kahdan back to the dead yaz's clan and telling how he died. that said I would see these swords kept within the clan and handed down- they are the property of the clan not the warrior entrusted with them In many cases they are centuries old and bear the symbol of the yaz's clan.

In all likelihood there are sword makers that forge them in the "old ways" as a growing society may or may not have need of more swords depending on the culture of the planet and whether they respect the old ways or not. As i've tried to develope this fan material Hentz discourages the old ways in favor of the Fo1 newer traditions and because those that go hard core on the old ways tend to resist Fo1 authority even if they subscribe to Fo1 beliefs.

Athor goes in for the older traditions more so than any other colony and Hargut and Scree Fron are  in the middle between the two extremes.

The yaz will have had centuries if not millenia between the advent of the iron age and the Star Exodus. plenty of time for metal weapons to be ubiquitous as honor blades. In addition I can see some clans actually commissioning some of their newer swords to be made from Federanium.

The special ability that the Kahdan has is that if a yaz has such a blade handed down from his clan (which presumes the clan's symbol is on it) and he attempts battle rage, there is a sense that the spirits of warriors past is with him and he gains a +5 bonus to the battle rage attempt. In all likelihood this effect is completely physcological in nature but non the less still real for the yazirian warrior. not every yazirian aspires to be a warrior and some clans simply display their honor blades in their clan hall/meeting place.

At this point I'm simply building off the work of Mathew Crymbal and Darron Patton. Crymbal's reasoning for the Kahdan is sound, well thought out and adds a new wrinkle to the Frontier society and setting. I like it.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!