Has anyone got or seen a good NON-Zebulon Frontier timeline?

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ChrisDonovan
May 18, 2016 - 3:17pm
If so, could you point me at it?
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Tchklinxa
May 20, 2016 - 6:44am
The KH jump distance chart is based on Star Probes + Star Empires 3D jump formula, I compaired them a while back... the mathamtical formula is funky they used to plot jumps not on th 0 plane, but simple. 

I will type it up, latter today, I got to go
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ChrisDonovan
May 20, 2016 - 8:32am
Tchklinxa wrote:
Good start 


And pretty much it.  There are precious few references to actual dates in the old modules.  I have a few more to add but not many.

I took a quick go at trying to fit the AD/KH timeline into Zeb and have a much better understanding of just how much retconning went on.  The 400 year rule of the Valentine family on it's own necessitates re-writing most of the history of when the races met, the frontier formed, etc.

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ChrisDonovan
May 20, 2016 - 12:39pm
Ok, here's everything I could come up with from my references:

1939 PF Snowball in the Liberty system enters into a state of climate collapse due to pollution and an asteroid impact TWM
339 PF Some time prior to this point Clarion is settled by Humans  
339 PF Valentine family begins rule of Clarion that will last 400 years WOWL
139 PF Humans from Clarion colonize Kraatar. After mining efforts fail, they adopt a simple, agrarian lifestyle. DSOTM
19 PF Vrusk merchants make contact with Kraatar. Vrusk colonists follow. DSOTM
3PF First Sathar War Dramune Run
     
0 FY United Planetary Federation Founded  
1 FY Jack Legrange (founder of the Kraatar Liberation Corps) is born. DSOTM
19 FY Jack Legrange enters medical school DSOTM
31 FY Kraatar Liberation Corps founded. DSOTM
36 FY Last Dramune War Dramune Run
39 FY Jack Legrange is forced to flee Kraatar to avoid arrest. David Dever imprisoned. DSOTM
39 FY Discovery of Zebulon system Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
40 FY Pale creates Planetary Research and Development Division Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
41 FY Freighter Gullwind comissioned Dramune Run
41 FY Garlus Tylappar becomes Captain of Gullwind Dramune Run
42 FY War of the Pales begins. Head of MINER assumes identity of Star Devil Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
45 FY between this point and 48 FY Pale suffers economic depression. Streel begins economic takeover of Pale Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
48 FY Streel controls all mining operations on Pale by this point Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
49 FY between now and 58 FY, Star Devil and PGC fuel War of Pales by smuggling weapons to New Pale Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
51 FY David Dever escapes from prison. DSOTM
58 FY Streel and Pale militia crush revolt on New Pale. War of Pales ends. Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
59 FY Streel co-finances new PR&DD on Pale Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
60 FY events of Volturnus series of modules occur first major Sathar incursion since SW I Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
61 FY Realtions between Inner/Outer Reach at 20-year low Dramune Run
61 FY 4/12 Gullwind undergoes last annual maintenance Dramune Run
61 FY 8/8 Gullwind undergoes last engine overhaul Dramune Run
61 FY Gullwind berthing fee at Majora station paid through 3/1/62 Dramune Run
61 FY Events of Dramune Run module (current Dramune War) Dramune Run
61 FY Rihanna system and planet Alcazzar discovered MTA
100 FY Corporate Wars begin in earnest Dragon
127 FY At or after this point Star Law marks127 years without a corrupt officer graduating it's academy. Dragon #91
     

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JCab747
May 20, 2016 - 2:48pm
That looks like a good summary.

Oh, and then there's the "Grand Celebration" in 111FY... I'm not sure what the significance of 1-1-1 is supposed to be, but I'm a Human. Maybe it has a philosophical meaning to Dralasites, or a battle meaning to Yazarians or some secret Vrusk business code.
Joe Cabadas

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ChrisDonovan
May 20, 2016 - 5:12pm
That's a Zeb entry, IIRC.

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iggy
May 20, 2016 - 9:05pm
I've posted this in other threads.  Here is my 3D rendering of the frontier in Celestia.

Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlKNlCY4BxY
-iggy

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JCab747
May 20, 2016 - 9:40pm
iggy wrote:
I've posted this in other threads.  Here is my 3D rendering of the frontier in Celestia.

Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlKNlCY4BxY


Yes, Iggy, I very much enjoyed that. You gave me the inspiration to try to think beyond the 2D map.
Joe Cabadas

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Tchklinxa
May 22, 2016 - 12:49pm
ChrisDonovan wrote:
Ok, here's everything I could come up with from my references:

1939 PF Snowball in the Liberty system enters into a state of climate collapse due to pollution and an asteroid impact TWM
339 PF Some time prior to this point Clarion is settled by Humans  
339 PF Valentine family begins rule of Clarion that will last 400 years WOWL
139 PF Humans from Clarion colonize Kraatar. After mining efforts fail, they adopt a simple, agrarian lifestyle. DSOTM
19 PF Vrusk merchants make contact with Kraatar. Vrusk colonists follow. DSOTM
3PF First Sathar War Dramune Run
     
0 FY United Planetary Federation Founded  
1 FY Jack Legrange (founder of the Kraatar Liberation Corps) is born. DSOTM
19 FY Jack Legrange enters medical school DSOTM
31 FY Kraatar Liberation Corps founded. DSOTM
36 FY Last Dramune War Dramune Run
39 FY Jack Legrange is forced to flee Kraatar to avoid arrest. David Dever imprisoned. DSOTM
39 FY Discovery of Zebulon system Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
40 FY Pale creates Planetary Research and Development Division Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
41 FY Freighter Gullwind comissioned Dramune Run
41 FY Garlus Tylappar becomes Captain of Gullwind Dramune Run
42 FY War of the Pales begins. Head of MINER assumes identity of Star Devil Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
45 FY between this point and 48 FY Pale suffers economic depression. Streel begins economic takeover of Pale Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
48 FY Streel controls all mining operations on Pale by this point Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
49 FY between now and 58 FY, Star Devil and PGC fuel War of Pales by smuggling weapons to New Pale Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
51 FY David Dever escapes from prison. DSOTM
58 FY Streel and Pale militia crush revolt on New Pale. War of Pales ends. Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
59 FY Streel co-finances new PR&DD on Pale Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
60 FY events of Volturnus series of modules occur first major Sathar incursion since SW I Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
61 FY Realtions between Inner/Outer Reach at 20-year low Dramune Run
61 FY 4/12 Gullwind undergoes last annual maintenance Dramune Run
61 FY 8/8 Gullwind undergoes last engine overhaul Dramune Run
61 FY Gullwind berthing fee at Majora station paid through 3/1/62 Dramune Run
61 FY Events of Dramune Run module (current Dramune War) Dramune Run
61 FY Rihanna system and planet Alcazzar discovered MTA
100 FY Corporate Wars begin in earnest Dragon
127 FY At or after this point Star Law marks127 years without a corrupt officer graduating it's academy. Dragon #91
     

I am going to add this research to the Time line project thread.
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jedion357
June 1, 2016 - 12:38pm
Spotted another problem with Zebs timeline it list "Grand Meeting" for formation of UPF as being held on Morgaine's World when KHs just stated it was uninhabited. Makes no sense when they can go to Port Loren and stay in the Stellar Arms Hotel rather then in a tent in a wilderness. 
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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ChrisDonovan
June 1, 2016 - 12:56pm
I'll have to double check and correct for that.  Nice catch.  I'm kind'a stuck at the moment, but I need to post an update.

Here it is:

10,500 PF    Last remnants of the Tetrarch Societies disappear.   
950 PF    Heliopes left on Starmist by Clikks after a Clikk military exploration vessel has to jettison  unnecessary cargo   
805 PF    Evolution of Mechanons begins on Volturnus   
       
       
1939 PF    Snowball in the Liberty system enters into a state of climate collapse due to pollution and an asteroid impact    TWM
689 PF    First Vrusk/Dralasite contact   
629 PF    First Vrusk/Human contact   
581 PF    Fromeltar system discovered by Dralasites   
579 PF     Vrusk, Dralasites, and Humans meet for the first time in the Frontier   
578 PF    Theseus system discovered by Humans   
549 PF    Yazirians enter the Frontier   
549 – 283 PF    The Frontier is Founded   
539 PF    Gran Quivera is discovered in the Prenglar system   
534 – 527    Triad and Rupert's Hole found in Cassidine system   
508 PF    Pan-Galactic Corporation started on Gran Quivera   
498 PF    Dixon's Star system discovered by Humans   
478 PF    Madderly's Star system discovered by Vrusk and Humans   
473 PF    Madderly's Star system becomes a Human system after the Freeworld Rebellion on Kdikit   
468 PF    Pale and New Pale discovered in Truane's Star system   
438 PF    Dramune system discovered by Dralasites   
436 PF    Anthor system discovered by Yazirians   
429 PF    K'tsa-Kar system discovered by Vrusk   
425 PF    K'aken-Kar system discovered by Vrusk   
424 PF    Gruna Garu system discovered by Yazirians   
421 PF    Timeon system discovered by Humans   
418 PF    Pan-Galactic language accepted throughout the Frontier as a common trade tounge   
414 PF    Kizk'-Kar system discovered by Vrusk   
397 PF    Araks system discovered by Yazirians   
393-293 PF    Age of Adventure.  The discovery and exploration of new planets slows down for the next 100 years while the major races concentrate on mapping the hazards and boundaries of the Frontier.  Hundreds of exploration vessels and brave spacers are lost during this time. Meanwhile, the discovered planets begin to develop. Thousands of fortunes are made and lost during the Age of Adventure.   
392-79 PF    The Greater Morass is Mapped   
362 PF    Scree Fron system discovered by Yazirians   
       
       
339 PF    Some time prior to this point White Light system is settled by Humans   
339 PF    Valentine family begins rule of Clarion that will last  400 years    WOWL
335-319    White Light Nebuae mapped   
302 PF    Dramune system colonized by Dralasites from Fromeltar    DR
139 PF    Humans from Clarion colonize Kraatar.  After mining efforts fail, they adopt a simple, agrarian lifestyle.    DSOTM
19 PF     Vrusk merchants make contact with Kraatar.  Vrusk colonists follow.    DSOTM
19-10 PF    The area beyond the Greater Morass claims hundreds of exploration vessels. Though it is believed that most Frontier races came from beyond the Morass, all information about their origins have been lost. Exploration of the area ceases and it is named the Vast Expanse.   
10 PF    Representatives of the four major races request that all explorations cease while delegates meet to form a unified defense and mutual interest organization.   
3-2 PF    First Sathar War    Dramune Run
3 PF    The Sathar first appear. They attack the Truane's Star system.   
3 PF    Pale and New Pale fall. The Great Exodus to Dixon's Star System takes place.    
2 PF    The four races muster a spaceship fleet. The Second Common Muster is called and put under the command of Admiral Morgaine, who immediately moves the fleet to the Cassidine system.    
2 PF    The Battle of Triad. Morgaine's fleet performs a surprise attack on the invading Sathar fleet.  The Sathar lose a third of their fleet.   
2 PF    Dixon's Star system is attacked by Sathar fleet. Completely unprotected, it is soon ravaged.  Morgaine moves his fleet to the Prenglar system.   
2 PF    The Sathar attack Gran Quivera in the Prenglar sysem. The Battle of Two Fleets is fought. The Sathar fleet is routed and destroyed. Morgaine's fleet is seriously depleted and Morgaine dies in battle. With this mutual devastation, the First Sathar War ends.   
1 PF    Morgaine's World is named after the fallen Admiral Morgaine   
1 PF    The “Grand Meeting” of leaders of all four races takes place on Gran Quivera   
0 FY    The United Planetary Federation, a mutual defense organization, is established.  All worlds of the Frontier, expecting another Sathar invasion, immediately join. Under UPF authority, Spacefleet becomes a permanent defensive force.   
1 FY    Jack Legrange (founder of the Kraatar Liberation Corps) is born.    DSOTM
2 FY    Streel Corporation founded on Pale   
3 FY    Brotherhood of Spacers becomes first cadre in the Frontier   
5 FY    Star Law established by the UFP   
5 FY    The Capellan Free Merchants first appear on the Frontier bringing news of the Rim and their fight with the Sathar while providing desperately needed food to the survivors on  Laco and Gran Quivera.   
6 FY    First Dramune War is fought   
8 FY    Cassidine Development Corporation is founded on Triad. The creation and growth of mega-corps proceeds at an ever-accelerating pace.   
11 FY    The Lynchpin system is discovered by the Vrusk. They turn the system over to the UPF for development as a military outpost to protect that sector of the frontier. The system is a military secret until the middle of SW II.   
12 FY    Frontier ships enter Rim space for the first time.   
14 FY    The Sundown system is discovered.   
17-27 FY     The Blue Plague sweeps the Frontier. Scientists believe it was brought to the Sundown system by an alien vessel that crashed on Starmist. Because of Starmist's light population, the plague was not immediately detected and had a chance to mutate. It is believed that vermin from the planet became infected and somehow gained entry to a ship. The ship makes several stops on the Frontier and the plague spreads rapidly. It is called the Blue Plague because of its earliest symptoms -- large blue welts that appear about the face and extremities. These welts leave horrible black scars even if the victim survives the plague.    
19 FY    Jack Legrange enters medical school    DSOTM
20 FY    Four star systems become so infested with the Blue Plague that the Council of Worlds, the diplomatic organization of the UPF, requests all races to recognize a permanent quarantine of these four star systems. The systems are designated by Greek letters. A spaceship seen leaving one of these systems is to be destroyed by Spacefleet before it has a chance to spread the plague any further.    
22 FY    Hargut, Pale, and Clarion suffer massive population losses due to the Blue Plague. All three planets are temporarily quarantined.    
23 FY    The Medical Services Organization is founded. Funding pours in from most of the Frontier worlds. Gretl Grohn is named as the MSO Chief Surgeon.    
24 FY    Vaccine for the Blue Plague is discovered at the MSO Center on Morgaine's World.    
27 FY    The Blue Plague is eradicated from inhabited planets in the Frontier. In total, 17 million victims fell to the plague.    
28 FY    Very tough laws and penalties are laid down by the UPF concerning the intersystem transportation and handling of flora and fauna.  Star Law is given jurisdiction over planetary exports and imports.   
30 FY    Pan-Gal system is discovered by the Pan-Galactic Corporation and becomes the first mega-corp star system.    
31 FY    Kraatar Liberation Corps founded.    DSOTM
31 FY    New Streel system is discovered by the Streel Corporation.   
32 FY    Devco system is discovered by the Cassidine Development Corporation.    
       
36 FY    Second Dramune War    Dramune Run
39 FY    Jack Legrange is forced to flee Kraatar to avoid arrest.   David Dever imprisoned.    DSOTM
23-43 FY    Mapping of Xagyg Dust Nebulae from Zebulon to Fromeltar    
39 FY    Discovery of Zebulon system by Professor Alorne Zebulon, the Frontier's most noted scientist, eplorer and educator.  Anker is discovered but not settled until 43 FY.    Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
39-45    Thirty-two exploration vessels are lost attempting to map the Lesser Morass. Only the area between Scree Fron and Zebulon are mapped   
40 FY    Pale creates Planetary Research and Development Division    Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
41 FY    Freighter Gullwind comissioned     Dramune Run
41 FY    Garlus Tylappar becomes Captain of Gullwind    Dramune Run
       
42 FY    War of the Pales begins.  Head of MINER assumes identity of Star Devil    Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
44 FY    Pan-Galactic becomes the first Frontier Mega-corporation   
45 FY    between this point and 48 FY Pale suffers economic depression.  Streel begins economic takeover of Pale    Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
46 FY    Solar Major system discovered by WarTech Incorporated.    
47-53 FY    Yreva Nebula is mapped   
48 FY    Streel controls all mining operations on Pale by this point    Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
49 FY    between now and 58 FY, Star Devil and PGC fuel War of Pales by smuggling weapons to New Pale    Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
50-59 FY    The Zagyg Dust Nebulae is mapped from Fromeltar to K'aken-Kar   
51 FY    David Dever escapes from prison.    DSOTM
58 FY    Streel and Pale militia crush revolt on New Pale.  War of Pales ends.    Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
59 FY    Streel co-finances  new PR&DD on Pale    Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
60 FY    events of Volturnus series of modules occur first major Sathar incursion since SW I.  After incursion, Zebulon is quickly settled.    Dragon #98 (set back 5 years)
61 FY    Realtions between Inner/Outer Reach at 20-year low    Dramune Run
61 FY    4/12 Gullwind undergoes last annual maintenance    Dramune Run
61 FY    8/8 Gullwind undergoes last engine overhaul    Dramune Run
61 FY    Gullwind berthing fee at Majora station paid through 3/1/62    Dramune Run
61 FY    Events of Dramune Run module (current Dramune War)    Dramune Run
       
61 FY    Rihanna system and planet Alcazzar discovered    MTA
63-77 FY    White Light Nebuae mapped   
64 FY    Anker in Zebulon system is explored and  settled.  Professor Zebulon founds University of Zebulon.   
100 FY    Corporate Wars begin in earnest    Dragon 
127 FY    At or after this point Star Law marks127 years without a corrupt officer graduating it's academy.    Dragon #91

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JCab747
June 1, 2016 - 1:49pm
jedion357 wrote:
Spotted another problem with Zebs timeline it list "Grand Meeting" for formation of UPF as being held on Morgaine's World when KHs just stated it was uninhabited. Makes no sense when they can go to Port Loren and stay in the Stellar Arms Hotel rather then in a tent in a wilderness. 


Maybe the Core Four wanted to meet on neutral ground, but I think Gran Quivera would make more sense for the Grand Meeting.
Joe Cabadas

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jedion357
June 1, 2016 - 2:28pm
Neutral ground, sure but it would have been one with accommodations, catering, entertainment, services (like power recharge and assundry other things). Gran Quivera as the hub of the Frontier makes far more sense just chalk it up to Zebs getting it wrong.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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JCab747
June 1, 2016 - 3:22pm
jedion357 wrote:
Neutral ground, sure but it would have been one with accommodations, catering, entertainment, services (like power recharge and assundry other things). Gran Quivera as the hub of the Frontier makes far more sense just chalk it up to Zebs getting it wrong.


Agreed.
Joe Cabadas

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ChrisDonovan
June 1, 2016 - 9:24pm
I tend to agree, which is why I changed it... :D