As I noted they are based directly on the art illustrations from KH not the "stats" and miniatures which is why they have far more guns than quoted ships do ;)

It's tougher as the ships in the art clearly have horizontal decks and set ups where as the actual ships do not. But what I meant was that they don't fit any of the stats or minatures versus the obvious artwork ships in KH.

Randy

The USASF ships from here would make good Frontier or Rim ships with "Projectile Accellerator Weapons" (PAW) main guns.

(http://www.shapeways.com/shops/irrationaldesigns?s=12#more-products)

And I could see Fedeation, Bio-ships, and others from here:

(http://www.shapeways.com/shops/semilucidstudios)

Among many others depending on how you like you battles, ships and figures :)

Randy

Birthday is coming up and the wife is NOT going to be happy with me :)

Now if I can find some "IC-chip" like mutilegged tanks for my Sathar armies...

Randy

Actually I see the "ball" and "ring" as redundent since you'd have the same gravity INSIDE the "equator" of the sphere that you would in the ring in a more compact ship design :) Now some of the bigger "Belter" ships with bigger rings make more sense. I can see it as a "design-statment" for a particular race, say.

I'd see them with duel engines, the longer "stinger" engine has a higher ISP and less thrust while the more compact engines are used for combat manuevering. ::::sigh:::: Well the wife HAS been bugging me for what I want for my birthday :)

Where would I find the template for submiting such a design btw? I've got a few other ships I could see being of SF origin:

The Antelope, Impala, Springbok, Rhino, and Buffalo for a start look good, as do the Federal and USASF designs...

Randy

(Notes: I'm going to use the KH2 Construction rules with some modifications and additions so more details will come later. A lot of this is pending me recieving the actual models for exact details. Some other notes: PDS is "Point Defense System" mounts of rapid firing missile defense weapons which act as non-expendable ICMs for incoming missile attacks. KAW=Kinetic Accelerator Weapon aka a coil-gun, and the different "light-medium-heavy" varients of weapons are to be detailed later. I use "charged" hull plating in place of electron/proton "screens" and light and heavy Magnetic Screens in place of the Stasis Screen. "Dual-Use" weapons are light weapons batteries that can in a turn be used as PDS systems but then can not fire offensivly or as offensive weapons. Interceptors are fighters that are more capable against other fighers and can be used as a PDS against missile attacks but are limited against ships)

"After the Human League broke away from the United Planetary Federation just prior to the Second Sathar War the appearance of the League High-Space Fleet was a huge surprise to the Federation.
To say that the buildup and activation of the fleet was a huge intelligence failure for the Federation
Intelligence Service is both an understatement and misleading in that while all the evidence was in fact in "plain-sight" one needs to recall that circumstances were such that no one could have or did predict the long-term, very secretive planning and effort that had gone into making that fleet a reality.

It must be kept in mind that the divisive nature of the carefully built and maintained Hu based "power block" within the Federation and Council of Worlds that preceded the formation of the League made intelligence gathering difficult at best and how excessive demands followed by capitulation on many internal issues kept opposition power blocks (such as Vrusk and Clarion interests) from pursuing matters that seemed settled satisfactorily.

Examples would include the demands of Hu factors that they be allowed to buy excessive amounts of the newest Class-M Frigates, which were at the time only being built for Spacefleet itself, and "forcing" instead the sale of obsolete Class-G Frigates in quantities at the time seemed to be a huge "victory" for anti-Hu forces.

It was only much later when the rebuilt Class-G3 ships, now classified as "Patrol Cruisers" appeared with their fully upgraded capabilities and expanded performance that the "victory" seemed less certain.

And beyond that the actual visible and accountable pre-League military power of the Hu dominated "block" was far from an obvious threat despite increasing rhetoric and obstructionism in politics.

What was discounted was the growing size and capability of the Hu produced Merchant Space Fleet and the more obvious in retrospect wholly modular nature of the fleet being built. That modular nature was contrary to the established "whole-ship" design nature of battle craft design prevalent at the time and it was not until after the fact that the versatility of such designs, (along with the inherent flaws thereof) became apparent. Once retrofitted with various modules a huge fleet in-being was easy to establish for the League. The downside in hindsight was that the League had only a small cadre of experienced and trained military manpower from which to draw its crews and therefore had to rely on "impressed" crews of ex-merchantmen for the bulk of its personnel. Further difficulties arose from the subordination or replacement of "merchant" officers and command crew with often wildly "jumped-up" military personnel (in some cases a petty officer would suddenly be given command of a ship with the rest of his "command" crew being ex-enlisted personnel with dubious command experience if any) which contributed to an overall appalling efficiency rating for the combined crew.

This by far was the main contributing factor to the overall lack of capability of the League to pursue successful actions against Spacefleet during the conflict to come.
Combined with the inability of the new League government to control internal factions and a general lack of cohesive long-term planning beyond the establishment of the Human League itself led to a series of events that inevitably led to armed conflict with the UPF for which the League was not fully
prepared.

Ships of the Human League High-Space Fleet

The League High-Space Fleet (LHSF) was divided in type between the dedicated warships, such as the Class-G3 Patrol Cruisers and the modular-hull based Class-N series Light, Heavy, and Assault Cruisers, and the Merchant-Hull (modular) Class-M series "cruiser" designs. As part of the High-Space Fleet the vessels were designated "League Spacefleet Ship" Or LSS officially followed by a given "name" rather than the standard Spacefleet hull/series number and "unofficial" name. Very often, (especially for "converted" Merchant-Hull ships) the "name" given as a fleet vessel was different than that it bore during its original service which caused confusion both for the Federation intelligence as well as within the League fleet itself.

For example there were officially at least 4 ships with the name "Wodan" ranging from an Assault Torpedo Cruiser to a Battlecruiser in active service, along with a never completed dedicated Battleship hull, an Assault Shuttle class, and at least two different types of ground combat unit all assigned to the same system of records and servicing. In at least one case the afore mentioned ATC was non-combat capable during an engagement when it was found that instead of a being supplied with 10 Type-G Spatial Torpedoes it was given 100 Type-A Surface-to-Surface Guided Missile reloads due to a clerical
error.

A further example was the converted Merchant-Cruiser "Argamanon" which was now the Assault Carrier (M5C) "Yontengo". When the newly christened "Yontengo" arrived at Space Station KL9 to pick up its combat load of two squadrons of "Valkyrie" fighters, it instead found equivalent cubage awaiting it in perishable and priority cargo scheduled for delivery to its assigned combat squadron due to an error in processing which still showed the ship as the "Argamanon" and assigned it cargo duty.

The "Yontengo" stuffed all available cubage in its hanger pods with cargo and requisitioned additional pods to load the remainder of the cargo and then delivered the cargo as required. In doing so the ship was subsequently damaged and abandoned during an engagement as it was a "priority-combat-target" due its carrier configuration even though it had in fact no combat craft on-board. (The "Yontengo" was later salvaged by the Federation and subsequently rebuilt as the Modular Cruiser MC17A during the
Second Sathar War)

LHSF policy was that all Starships no matter the original type was designated "Cruisers" of various sub-types. Hence what the Federation classed as an "Assault Scout" would in the LHSF be classed as an "Assault Cruiser," and a Light Cruiser would therefor remain a Light Cruiser and Frigates would be classified as "Patrol Cruisers" and so on.

SF ship notes for various miniatures
All ships listed here are considered part of the Human League High-Space fleet combat and support service. The LHSF had three basic ship types:
1) Dedicated Military Hulls with built-in systems
2) Modular Military Hulls with combat pods and systems
3) Modular Merchant Hulls with combat pods and systems
All League combat ships have a light magnetic screen for defense as well as reflective hull systems. (The fact that even as "merchant" ships the basic models had "screens" was touted as a "safety feature" rather than seen as an actual combat system was another "missed" intelligence clue)

Belter ships: "Ball" ships are original Military Modular ships while others are originally Merchant hulls converted to warships by the addition of combat modules and some retrofitted military systems. Others were non-modular military ships.

Ball-ships: Belter "Battlewagon," “Assault Cruiser,” and "Monitor" seem to be basically the same hull with different load-outs so are treated as such. The same with the Belter "Cruiser" and "Carrier" models. These are treated as Modular Military Hulls.

The Belter "Battlewagon" is a Light Cruiser (SF designation: MLC4B) design with 4 beam batteries, 4 missile launchers and 4 PDS/ICM systems.
The Belter "Monitor" (SF designation MCL4G) has the same "basic" load-out with the addition of 6X modular torpedo launchers, a light and medium KAW-cannon (Kinetic Accelerator Weapon) module, a heavy missile launcher module and magazine and enough additional engines to actually move and fight the ship.
The Belter Cruiser (SF designation MHC2B) is a Heavy Cruiser design equipped with 2 large beam batteries, 2 large laser batteries, 4 missile launcher bays and 4 PDS/ICM systems. (Plus any additional
combat pods added to the ship)
The Belter Carrier (SF designation MHC2C) is a "cruiser" with all the above systems fitted with two hanger bays housing 2 squadrons (12 each, 24 total) of fighters with support personnel and systems.
The Federal Light Cruiser design (SF designation FLC4) was originally a small freighter design which was refitted by the simple expedient of full replacement of its forward hull with a "military" model. The ship design now sports a forward mounted disruptor cannon, 2 beam cannon, 2 dual use laser
batteries and 6 modular missile launchers with integral magazines. Lacking any on-board PDS/ICM system the laser batteries are most often used in the defensive role in combat.

Converted Modular Merchant Hulls originally had some limited self-defense systems installed but clever inclusion of nearby "cargo" space allowed the swift refitting of these systems to more powerful full military systems.

The Belter Torpedo Boat (SF designation MATC4C) is a light freighter design retrofitted with a more powerful forward laser cannon and twin dual use laser batteries. It also has 10 self-contained modular torpedo systems and the upgraded sensor and computer power to handle a full launch spread. In practice the dual use lasers were reserved for missile defense after the torpedoes were launched.
The Belter Prospector design (SF designation MC2R) is based on an older Modular Hull design upgraded with new electronics and power systems bringing it up to a capable Medium Cruiser design.
It retains an enhanced laser cannon and twin duel use laser batteries along with the original dual PDS/ICM system. It adds three modular medium beam batteries and a modular missile launcher system.
The Belter Scout (SF designation MC2V) is also based on the older Modular Hull design and further upgraded to a heavy cruiser design sporting the ubiquitous laser cannon, twin dual use laser batteries and dual PDS/ICM system of the basic design as well as 4 modular beam batteries, 4 modular missile launchers and an extensive command-and-control system suite allowing it to be used as a command cruiser as well.
The Belter Missile Cruiser (SF designation MC7M) is a newer design Modular Hull design including the main basic systems of the older design, (laser cannon and 2 laser batteries) which forgoes the added beam modules for a set of 10 torpedoes, and an additional two dual use laser batteries bring it to a total of 6. (In combat at least two of the dual use lasers are most often dedicated to PDS use instead of offensive use due to the lack of additional PDS on this ship)
The Rhino class (SF designation MC5C) is a modular hull equipped with a laser cannon and twin dual use laser batteries internally. Mounted are two modular KAW (Kinetic Accelerator Weapons) cannon in forward firing fittings and up to eighteen modular fighter bays supporting a single fighter each. (Normal combat loading was 12 fighters and 6 defensive interceptors)
The Sleeper Ship is a retrofitted passenger ship with dual rotating gravity rings with modular fittings for military transport duties. While the original design had a forward shuttle bay this was replaced with a medium KAW cannon, and a light dual use KAW battery most often used as a PDS/ICM system. To support further ground operations and provide some needed firepower four modular medium KAW cannon have been added to the hull though due to the limited arc of fire their usefulness in ship-to-ship combat is questionable against maneuvering targets."

Randy

(Though getting the figures will have to wait a bit as getting the afore mentioned ones is priority at the moment)

No commments/feedback on where I'm going with these? :)

Randy

In the pipeline is the Federal gun, light, heavy cruisers and battleship which I'm thinking will instead of being LHSF ships will be the original human (leaning towards Clarion produced but might go Hu) SW1 ships with the "battleship" being Morgaine's command ship.

LHSF ships will be Belter Attack Cruiser, Cruiser, Carrier, Monitor, and Battlewagon for a start. The others will probably get asked for on my anniversiry (I'm a gamer, it's expected :) ) but we'll see as the above problem has to be sorted out first.

Randy

This is the exterior view of the scout.  I'm still ruffing out the decks.  It working out to be about 11 or 12 decks.

Uhm, "flywheel"? Did you mean Gravity-Wheel as in a rotating ring for AG generation?

Randy