Blue Plague is Real

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jedion357
December 12, 2011 - 8:03pm
http://www.colloidalsilver101.com/blue_flu__blue_plague.htm

I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!
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rattraveller
December 13, 2011 - 8:37am
So a group that sells silver generators says the BP/Haliburton Gulf oil spill has created a plague. Activating Zombie Alarm bracelet now.
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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Ascent
December 13, 2011 - 1:56pm
That article was extremely irresponsible. Okay, so it gave us some information about BP flu, (apparently one of thoe media blackout things) but then the person goes on to suggest Miracle Mineral Supplement. Let's see, it is "a toxic chemical known to cause fatal renal failure." (Wikipedia.) Only a drop of this stuff absorbed into the skin can cause toxic symptoms. Now, why is this "activist" (prejorative) acting like a doctor and prescribing it to his "patients" (readers)? This is downright ignorant. Doctors have several other means at their desposal for increasing oxygen profusion to the blood supply. There is no reason to further risk your health for a one-stop oxygen supply.
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Inigo Montoya
December 14, 2011 - 6:09am
How can you call this ''extremely irresponsible"? They cited a "trusted nurse", after all! Foot in mouth

never trusted researchers/activists. especially corporate sponsored ones. I have been wondering what the latest flu scare was going to be. every year the media creates a frenzy of panic and hysteria. I haven't noticed one lately. Perhaps now that they have a real issue like our economy, there is no need to create another bird/swine/flue, east nile, Y2K, or any of the others. Its all a sathar plot to distract us from their undermining of our frontier governmental establishments.

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rattraveller
December 14, 2011 - 10:43am
About a month ago there was a new swine flu but it only infected three children who cared for the family hogs, think it was in Utah or Colorado. There is so much media alarmism maybe we need to incorporate that in an SF adventure
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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jedion357
December 14, 2011 - 1:18pm
Warning, Blue Plague Outbreak! Small print copy reveals that a researcher at a MSO lab accidently infected himself and died- not a real outbreak.
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Inigo Montoya
December 14, 2011 - 7:18pm
Mad Dral disease. That would explain a lot. East Hentz Virus; transmitted by flee bites and called the Yaz Flu. Seeing as how most of the real world hysteria's can be traced back to financial gain by some entity or individuals, I am sure the frontier is rampant with them. Considering the amount of greed and lack of ethics in most of our frontier settings, I think that these things are a must.

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Rollo
December 15, 2011 - 12:42pm
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A group of scientists is pushing to publish research about how they created a man-made flu virus that could potentially wipe out civilisation.

The deadly virus is a genetically tweaked version of the H5N1 bird flu strain, but is far more infectious and could pass easily between millions of people at a time.

The research has caused a storm of controversy and divided scientists, with some saying it should never have been carried out.

But their are fears the modified virus is so dangerous it could be used for bio-warfare, if it falls into the wrong hands.

Virologist Ron Fouchier of the Erasmus Medical Centre in the Netherlands lead a team of scientists who discovered that a mere five mutations to the avian virus was sufficient to make it spread far more easily.

He conducted his tests on ferrets as the animals have become a model of choice for influenza and have similar respiratory tracts to humans.

Fouchier is so prepared for a media storm that he has hired an advisor to help him work on a communication strategy.

The research done was part of an international drive to understand H5N1 more fully.

Fouchier admitted the strain is 'one of the most dangerous viruses you can make' but is still adamant he wants to publish a paper describing how it was done.

The study is one of two which has caused serious debate about scientific freedom and about regulating research which might have potential public health benefits but at the same time could also be useful for bio-terrorism.

The other paper, also on H5N1, was done by a joint team at the University of Wisconsin and the University of Tokyo.

It is understood to have had comparable results to the study done by Fouchier.

Both papers are now being reviewed by the U.S National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity (NSABB).

NSABB does not have the power to prevent the publication but it could ask journals not to publish.

Paul Keim, chairman of NSABB, said: 'I can't think of another pathogenic organism that is as scary as this one. I don't think anthrax is scary at all compared to this.'

Traditionally scientific research has always been open so that fellow scientists can review the work of others and repeat their methods to try and learn from them.

But numerous scientists have said they believe research on the avian flu should be suppressed.

However bio-defense and flu expert Michael Osterholm, who is director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of innesota, said the work carried out was important medically.

He added he could not discuss the papers because he was a member of NSABB but said if they were published certain information could be withheld and made available to those who really need to know.

'We don't want to give bad guys a road map on how to make bad bugs really bad,' he said.



I don't have to outrun that nasty beast my friend...I just have to outrun you! Wink

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Ascent
December 15, 2011 - 8:06pm
I don't think terrorists would be interested in a flu virus. There's no way to actually claim credit. What they want is a virus that is so unique that it can't be said that it's just a natural mutation. That's why small pox is a concern, because it was essentially eradicated. Which means if it shows up in a malicious incurable form, it's clear that it was biologically manipulated.
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rattraveller
December 15, 2011 - 9:26pm
Terrorists depending on their sophistication could claim credit for any virus just by publishing the genetic code of the virus. Doctors could pretty easily verify and then the made scramble for vaccinations.
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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jedion357
December 16, 2011 - 6:20am
Bio weapons are scary any terrorist willing to use one would use any he could get his hand on because his purpose is terror and panic. Its an attack on the civilian population and if they use a common agent and only kill 3000 its all good because it strikes fear. If the can get the really bad stuff and kill more then they will do that. I doubt they will turn down a perfectly good weapon out of some sense of "no one will know it was me" if I use that one. And releasing a claim of a bioweapon attack in conjunction with the actual attack pretty much establishes their bonafides. Besides they aren't all that concerned with people knowing it was them because now they know we will target the leaders, whether with a predator drone or a sniper bullet, we will the hunt for the SOB for the rest of his miserable hiding in a hole life.
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rattraveller
December 16, 2011 - 9:50am

For those who wonder what the big deal with flu is here is some simple facts.
World War I killed just over 35 milliion people military and civilian deaths but just after we had the Spanish Flu:
The pandemic lasted from June 1918 to December 1920, spreading even to the Arctic and remote Pacific islands. Between 50 and 100 million died, making it one of the deadliest natural disasters in human history. Even using the lower estimate of 50 million people, 3% of the world's population (which was 1.86 billion at the time) died of the disease. Some 500 million, or 27%, were infected.

Even today influenza is the 7th leading cause of death in the US (http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/family/15-most-common-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states.htm)

Media may have convinced you other diseases are bad but really when it comes to diseases you can spread none beat the flu.

Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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jedion357
December 16, 2011 - 12:02pm
rattraveller wrote:
when it comes to diseases you can spread none beat the flu


very true
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Ascent
December 17, 2011 - 6:37pm
You can't spread a political message if no one knows it's you. But you have one point. By claiming credit before the first victim dies or shows up at a hospital, you pretty much establish that it's your organization, regardless of what illness it is.

But sharing the genetic code is kind of shooting yourself in the foot. You're pretty much handing them the cure as jedion pointed out.
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rattraveller
December 17, 2011 - 8:11pm
Not necessarily: unfortunately we are dealing with reality here. The reality is that the that they could give them the genetic code hell the terrorists could give them the vaccine formula but while the deadly flu is killing people 2 to 4 weeks after infection it will take them 3 to 6 months to start to have vaccine in any quantity.

But that is not the bad part. There is no medical system set up anywhere to handle the volume of patients like those produced by the Spanish Flu. Many are going to die simply because they will not be able to get to help of any kind.

Let us not forget globalization. The Spanish Flu was in a world without easy air travel. Today a deadly flu could be spread by a few infected people to everywhere very quickly. Remember 12 Monkeys?

Are you scared yet? Well we have not bothered to include panic, rioting, anarchy, and the breakdown of social order. Probably not in every country but you can bet some will fall if not wiped out completely. The flu can be your worst nightmare or best PA scenario ever.
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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Inigo Montoya
December 17, 2011 - 10:36pm

You have to remember that it was a big world back then. Plagues like the Spanish Flu and the Black death are so impressive because they were introduced to a large, fresh population with no immunities. Our world is now so largely criss-crossed on a daily basis that it is hard to imagine there are many pathogens hiding out in obscure people groups. And of course there is the interbreeding of people groups to share immunities.

The bird/swine flu and east nile virus as well as mad cow was so contrived when media outlets tried keeping tally of deaths in the US. I recall one illness claiming just over 20 lives one year. Thousands of people die from the ordinary old flu in the US every year.

It is true that terrorists like to advertise. Though, I can see al-qaeda getting their hands on a strain of flu, unleashing it on the western infidels and still claiming it as allah's vengeance even if they can't prove that they are responsible. And too, with militant whack-jobs, it may be enough just to kill the people you despise and not feel the need to advertise or celebrate publicly.


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jedion357
December 18, 2011 - 6:20am
Inigo Montoya wrote:
The bird/swine flu and east nile virus as well as mad cow was so contrived when media outlets tried keeping tally of deaths in the US. I recall one illness claiming just over 20 lives one year. Thousands of people die from the ordinary old flu in the US every year.

This is because news is not reported in America, news is crafted and presented, Its info-tainment. To get news you have to dial yourself into news sources from outside America. Jerusalme Post, BBC, etc and compare differences on reporting of international news between what you see reported in America and these sources- a pattern will start to appear and/or you will begin to identify clear bias. Word of warning, if you have a brain your blood pressure will start to go up and you will start to get pissed off sometimes while doing this.

My favorite example was When Bill Clinton was pushing to transfer nuclear power tech to the North Koreans and there was some debate in America about it but the fix was in because it was going to happen. Yet during that time i was reading about an infiltration sub netted just outside of a South Korean harbor by a fishing trawler and towed into port that when it was opened it was empty and loaded with spy and infiltration gear. Not a word of it hit the TV or Print media in Boston. Was it pertinent? I think so. Would it have tipped a ballance in the dabate over the nuclear reactor transfer? Possibly. So why wasn't it covered?


Inigo Montoya wrote:

It is true that terrorists like to advertise. Though, I can see al-qaeda getting their hands on a strain of flu, unleashing it on the western infidels and still claiming it as allah's vengeance even if they can't prove that they are responsible. And too, with militant whack-jobs, it may be enough just to kill the people you despise and not feel the need to advertise or celebrate publicly.


Saddly, I wish I could dispute your analysis but I can't. Perhaps its karma, only good infidel is a dead infidel.
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