Potentially interesting new discovery by NASA

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Rollo
December 5, 2011 - 7:23pm
Interesting...
This from Yahoo (I can't figure out how to link the article so I'll just cut & paste. Knowing Yahoo the page will disappear soon anyway.

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A newly discovered planet is eerily similar to Earth and is sitting outside our solar system in what seems to be the ideal place for life, except for one hitch. It's a bit too big.

The planet is smack in the middle of what astronomers call the Goldilocks zone, that hard to find place that's not too hot, not too cold, where water, which is essential for life, doesn't freeze or boil. And it has a shopping mall-like surface temperature of near 72 degrees, scientists say.

The planet's confirmation was announced Monday by NASA along with other discoveries by its Kepler telescope, which was launched on a planet-hunting mission in 2009.

That's the first planet confirmed in the habitable zone for Kepler, which had already found Earth-like rocky planets elsewhere. Twice before astronomers have announced a planet found in that zone, but neither have been as promising.

"This is a phenomenal discovery in the course of human history," Geoff Marcy of University of California, Berkeley, one of the pioneers of planet-hunting outside our solar system, said in an email. "This discovery shows that we Homo sapiens are straining our reach into the universe to find planets that remind us of home. We are almost there."

The new planet — named Kepler-22b — has key aspects it shares with Earth. It circles a star that could be the twin of our sun and at just about the same distance. The planet's year of 290 days is even close to ours. It likely has water and rock.

The only trouble is the planet's a bit big for life to exist on the surface. The planet is about 2.4 times the size of Earth. It could be more like the gas-and-liquid Neptune with only a rocky core and mostly ocean.

"It's so exciting to imagine the possibilities," said Natalie Batalha, the Kepler deputy science chief.

Floating on that "world completely covered in water" could be like being on an Earth ocean and "it's not beyond the realm of possibility that life could exist in such an ocean," Batalha said in a phone interview.

Kepler can't find life itself, just where the conditions might be right for it to thrive. And when astronomers look for life elsewhere they're talking about everything ranging from microbes to advanced intelligence that can be looking back at us.

So far the Kepler telescope has spotted 2,326 candidate planets outside our solar system with 139 of them potentially habitable ones. Even though the confirmed Kepler-22b is a bit big, it is still smaller than most of the other candidates. It is closest to Earth in size, temperature and star than either of the two previously announced planets in the zone.

The confirmation of one of two, though, has been disputed. The latest discovery has been confirmed several ways, including by two other telescopes.

Earlier this year, a European team of astronomers said they had confirmed another planet in the habitable zone, but that one was hot and barely on the inside edge of the habitable zone.

For Marcy, who is on the Kepler team, the newest planet is a smidgen too large. But, "that smidgen makes all the difference," he said.

Because its size implies that it's closer to Neptune in composition than Earth, "I would bet my telescope that there is no hard, rocky surface to walk on," Marcy said.

Chief Kepler scientist William Borucki said he thinks the planet is somewhere between Earth and gas-and-liquid Neptune, but that it has a lot of rocky material. It's in a size range that scientists don't really know anything about. Measurements next summer may help astronomers have a better idea of its makeup, he said.

The planet is 600 light years away. Each light year is 5.9 trillion miles. It would take a space shuttle about 22 million years to get there.

Kepler spots a planet when it passes in front of its star. NASA requires three of those sightings before it begins to confirm it as a planet. Borucki said the third sighting for 22b happened a year ago, just before the telescope shut down for a while. It took several months to finish the confirmation.

"It's a great gift," Borucki said. "We consider this sort of our Christmas planet."

 


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thespiritcoyote
December 7, 2011 - 10:18pm
I predict that in the next ~100yrs there will be resolution imaging possibilities to start imagining canale and ancient figurines on these distant worlds... Cool atm it means the neighborhood while vast, is far from being a waste of empty space.

[shudders Money mouth]
Floating on that "world completely covered in water" could be like being on an Earth ocean...
[/shudders Surprised]

Egads and shiver me timbers mate! I would not want to be floating her warm valleys in a dingy at high-noon!! sacre blu von du yappari ite!!! L'éternité bon voyage mon terra mare tranquillitatis -eeee aaaa - [pukes]
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so...
if you square a square it becomes a cube...
if you square a cube does it become an octoid?

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Ascent
December 8, 2011 - 2:42pm
You certainly wouldn't be able to swim in that sink. It would crush you like a grape. 2.4 times the size of Earth is a whole lot of gravity. As I understand it, that's approximately 7.5 times earth's gravity. So I would weigh 1,402 lbs. My cat would weigh 60 lbs. Though, if they're talking 2.4 times the mass, then that means its 2.4 gravity and I guess being 372 lbs is bearable. The water would still be uncomfortable to swim in.
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TerlObar
December 8, 2011 - 2:41pm
Very true Ascent, the gravity on the surface (if it has one) is going to be big.  Assuming a density comparable to that of the earth, it's surface gravity is going to be about 2.4g.

The thing is, all they really know is it's diameter.  There is no data yet on mass.  It could just be a small gas giant although everyone is expecting it to be a water world.
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thespiritcoyote
December 9, 2011 - 3:53am
under pressures and gravities as that... is that "water dense enough to walk on" or a "solid surface malleable enough to toss you around"... hmmz? ... either way the tidal spikage would make for some killer peakage... surfs up, and no beach in sight - catch a leading peak and 'round the globe!!
Then there is the comment of it being likened to a pleasant shopping-mall... yeah ok, the temperature is calm - but the humidity-index is killer.

all-n-all not what I would call a hospitable home, even if the gravity is bearable.
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so...
if you square a square it becomes a cube...
if you square a cube does it become an octoid?

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Ascent
December 9, 2011 - 7:05pm
Because of your weight, the water would still respond the same as normal water. Even if an object shaped like your body were your current weight on earth (like a mannequin), it would still sink because it would still be 1/7.5th of your current weight to that water, though it would have much better buoyancy. If it's 2.4g, then no, definitely not. Though judging by Terl's response, I guess "more than twice the size" refers not to the diameter, but to the circumference. (Meaning the 2.4g. Approx.)
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thespiritcoyote
December 10, 2011 - 6:49am
[face-palms] Ahh, my molecular imaging of the surface-tension did not scale back up when I dropped the mannequin in the water... small glitch in my holo-sim... I have it realigned now thanks. XD
Oh humans!! Innocent We discover a galactic community filled with multiple species of aliens, and the first thing we think about is "how can we have sex with them?".
~ anymoose, somewhere on the net...

so...
if you square a square it becomes a cube...
if you square a cube does it become an octoid?

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thespiritcoyote
December 11, 2011 - 7:59pm
Laughingnice!! My first thought is... "Look at what a bored sensor-operator can accomplish!!! Someone found that darn cloaked Sathar ship!!!"
Oh humans!! Innocent We discover a galactic community filled with multiple species of aliens, and the first thing we think about is "how can we have sex with them?".
~ anymoose, somewhere on the net...

so...
if you square a square it becomes a cube...
if you square a cube does it become an octoid?