 January 29, 2010 - 2:18am | Wizards of the Coast have decided not to renew their Star Wars license: http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75862/22320345/Wizards_of_the_Coast_announcement Maybe they'll be looking to replace it with another Sci-Fi setting. Maybe one that they own the rights to... Crow Wayne Peters Senior Artist Blitz Games, Leamington |
 February 3, 2010 - 4:49pm | P.S. if we do get a collective proposal to WOTC for SF, we need to secure merchandising rights... |
 February 3, 2010 - 7:52pm | So, could this be a sign of things to come? It would be nice if they gave the reins over to the someone here. The game would become a very viable one to play. The foundation is already prepared. All that is needed is to say go. On the other hand they could come in copy what they like, publish it and tell everyone here that they were working on it for years to make it into their number one game. I am not sure they are going to go back to SF. It seems they do not have the imagination to make a sci-fi game after seeing the Star Wars books. I really wouldn't want to see them mess with it. I can see it go the route of D&D SF400e will be on the shelves in about 2 to 3 years trying to capitalize on the hardcore fans that do not want the game to completely die. It will endup being like a vampire, comes out to feed once in awhile then nothing for months. |
 February 4, 2010 - 10:48am | WOTC does noty seem interested in Sci-Fi -- Star Frontiers, Gamma World, Alternity, etc ... . Many of their past sci-fi efforts had merrit, but no solid, long term support. Long live the Frontier! |
 February 4, 2010 - 12:47pm | Gar2k7: I think we can do a lot more for WOTC than buy their stuff. We could write their game, if they wanted something new. They need to change their strategy. The success that TSR had, aside from the book series (Dragon Lance and many others - which were very profitable and kept the company alive) was due to their high quality MODULES. They also had a ginormous Con presence. Now, you could say well, that was the 80's. And you may have a point. Maybe the numbers would not add up. I just think it could be done - and in a way far, far superior than this nonsense I see come and go on the Web and on my local hobby store shelves. Shadow may have been sarcastic, but everything he lists (aside from probably the tampons) would sell under the right circumstances. Where can I get that laser pistol? LOL |
February 4, 2010 - 12:50pm | I mean think about it: SF re-release and come out with a HUGE number of awesome modules... Maybe 20 or 30 - which we basically have here and in our heads. Jedion's ideas alone on here, if fully developed, over the past year could hit that mark. It would take the RPG world by storm. |
 February 4, 2010 - 3:49pm | New flash, Bush has been gone for over a year now and Obama isn't doing anything to help the economy either. Doing more harm than good. Which really has no bearing on what WoTC does with it's Star Wars license. Interesting. So the economy has no bearing on what decisions a business makes? Wow. That's really interesting theory. Maybe you can expound on it. I would sure like to hear this new genius concept of yours.Really this does nothing to really effect gamers as odds are most will just go back to writing up stats for what ever game system they want to play Star Wars in. There are convertions out there after all. So what WoTC does is really insignificant here. Tell me one president that has recovered the economy in a single year? I'm giving him time to do what he needs to do without judging. At the end of his 4 years, that's when I will make my mind up. Bush left us in a pile of shit and you expect his replacement to clean it up like cleaning a bathroom sink? View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
February 4, 2010 - 4:10pm | ...and their "decency" to announce beforehand they were not renewing the license is balanced by their using their announcement as an opportunity to market their SW product. You all just aren't happy one way or another. If they don't announce it so that they can sell their product, you get pissed. If they do announce it and tout the product at the same time, you get pissed. Dude, it's called "business". They give us fair warning AND tout the product. Is it really a bad thing? They want to sell their last product. That's not greed; that's survival. Not telling us that they are cancelling and touting it INSTEAD, now THAT's greed.View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
February 4, 2010 - 4:24pm | Shadow may have been sarcastic, but everything he lists (aside from probably the tampons) would sell under the right circumstances. Where can I get that laser pistol? LOL I was spinning the Mel Brooks "Yogurt" line from Spaceballs, and merely substituted the trade name pistol from SF for the flamethrower LOL but yeah, merchandising does work, even if it's a flash in the pan genre fans of said genre will buy the wares. As for the tampons...long story made short: I was at a motorcycle rally a few years ago and one booth was actually offering "logo'd tampons" amongst their paraphenalia of other logo goods. I wish I was kidding. It's also part of the reason I stopped going to rallies...it seems the target audience doesn't go anymore, and that only supports it. I mean it was like last summer's ComiCon in San Diego, the big highlight there was the Twilight New Moon with all the teen-aged fan girls. Now I just can't fathom why that was at a comic book convention, I don't follow the new comics like I used to but I certainly don't recall that crap ever being offered as a COMIC BOOK! And with the hoardes of attendees that were there just for the Twilight gathering, how many actual comic fans did that leave room for? How many will return next year having had to wade through all that crap just to get to the real meat of the show? Yes, it can go too far... |
 February 4, 2010 - 4:32pm | I'm a bigger fan of GW, then SF, so when I found out about 7e GW, I was not all that surprised, and I was no less disappointed! IT IS 4e D&D WITH CCG CARDS!!! WotC are hacks! Like White Wolf before them (and the knot-heads that made 5e GW), they have no idea what makes GW so awesome! I'm just going to stick with Mutant Future, thank you! At least it was make by folks who knows how to do it right - including myself (as one of the artists). By the way, I enjoy when a thread gets political - like wars, it exposes the extent of our humanity! My big rants are: The Republican party are NOT "conservative", as they "conserve" nothing tangible! Ironically, their policies are vary "liberal" (small government, deregulation, pro-gun, and such)! They say that they are trying to "conserve" the strong economics and middle class of the 1950s, but that was only made possible with strong work unions - something that goes against their stance on "socialism". Instead, they believe in the "trickle down effect" - basically, its what folks call a "golden shower" (the middle class has been getting rained on like that for years). The term "liberal" has become a joke, used by know-nothing demagogues, who use it as a term for anyone who is not like them! Its like "pagan" in right-wing terminology! The damnest thing, is that professional news outlets are starting to use "liberal media" on themselves! When election season comes (with all the shameless corporate and special interest propaganda), I know some Judges I what to apply the "trickle down effect" on - if you know what I mean? THAT IT! I'm joining the group know only as the Apocalypse..! YE HAW! WASHINGTON OR BUST!!!  |
 February 4, 2010 - 5:56pm | Gar2k7: I think we can do a lot more for WOTC than buy their stuff. We could write their game, if they wanted something new. They need to change their strategy. The success that TSR had, aside from the book series (Dragon Lance and many others - which were very profitable and kept the company alive) was due to their high quality MODULES. They also had a ginormous Con presence. Now, you could say well, that was the 80's. And you may have a point. Maybe the numbers would not add up. I just think it could be done - and in a way far, far superior than this nonsense I see come and go on the Web and on my local hobby store shelves. Shadow may have been sarcastic, but everything he lists (aside from probably the tampons) would sell under the right circumstances. Where can I get that laser pistol? LOL In short, you're proposing that we ask Wizards for a license to the SF rights(or even vice-versa)and to outsource the game's capitalization, re-design(if needed),production, initial marketing(at least), and everything which goes with it to us, while all they have to do is distribute the game. Right? If so, we're probably going to charge a competitive price for the core rules, and maybe one or two starter modules(Volturnus and White Light bundled together, maybe), all immaculately high-quality, since there's no point creating modules if we can't market the core rules, and at least break even. If initial sales are good enough that Wizards are on board fully, and we haven't lost our shirts, then we could reduce the price of the core rules and start cranking out the high-quality modules you've been talking about...maybe, the remastered originals plus a module for each planet in the Frontier which didn't get covered in the first place, or, alternately, modules and an atlas of the Frontier with some adventure seeds. As long as it's just modules, I think we might have something. If we start down the endless rules supplements path, on the other hand, that would probably be a deal breaker. "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
February 4, 2010 - 6:01pm | ...and their "decency" to announce beforehand they were not renewing the license is balanced by their using their announcement as an opportunity to market their SW product. You all just aren't happy one way or another. If they don't announce it so that they can sell their product, you get pissed. If they do announce it and tout the product at the same time, you get pissed. Dude, it's called "business". They give us fair warning AND tout the product. Is it really a bad thing? They want to sell their last product. That's not greed; that's survival. Not telling us that they are cancelling and touting it INSTEAD, now THAT's greed.All I said and implied was that Wizards took this opp to market their remaining SW product. Didn't say it was good or bad, I just said they did it. /me thinks someone forgot his lithium. "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
February 4, 2010 - 6:16pm | Bush left us in a pile of shit and you expect his replacement to clean it up like cleaning a bathroom sink? No, I don't. After all, you know what they say about wishing with one hand and urinating in the other. I do expect him, the media, and the rest of that rogue's gallery we, the people, have allowed to take over their cognitive processes to lie like an SOB come 2012, tell us the Emperor's wearing Armani when he's really buckazz naked and the rest of us to smoke it up like it was crystal meth down by the schoolyard. A lot of hands over the last thirty years were involved in wrecking the economy, and,four of those hands belong to you and me, brother. We put these clowns in office, we wanted to believe them when they preached the Gospel of the Greed, the Excess and the Holy Materialism, a-men, we wanted to believe we actually wanted a way out of the shambles we created, we wanted to believe these liars when they said they would change things, and we wanted to point fingers at anyone we could, just to avoid the responsibility for cleaning up our own damn frickin' mess. 'Nuff said, Nick Fury. "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
February 4, 2010 - 6:19pm | As for the tampons...long story made short: I was at a motorcycle rally a few years ago and one booth was actually offering "logo'd tampons" amongst their paraphenalia of other logo goods. I wish I was kidding. I saw the Obama Y-fronts. I believe you. "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
February 4, 2010 - 6:24pm | ...middle class... Middle class? Where, where? "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
 February 4, 2010 - 7:37pm | Well said Will. Both parties led us here, offering the world but not showing any sense at how to pay for it. Our national debt is an absolute disgrace. Enough blame to go around and then some. American society must figure out what it will willing to give up in order to bring the economy back in line. Problem is that the current American society is hyper focused on material wealth and a burning desire to get it all, get in now, and work as little as possible for it. And politicians say what the masses want to here, as they always have. Ascent, you sound like you're campaigning. NOW, back to Star Wars, I love the idea of cranking out some good modules. Also we should provide alternate/optional settings. |
 February 4, 2010 - 8:41pm | I wish you all would put this much energy into working on stuff for the webzine.   |
February 5, 2010 - 12:34am | I'd submit some more, but right now I'm feeling a bit taxed.  |
February 5, 2010 - 2:02am | I'm just feeling empty and misunderstood. "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
 February 5, 2010 - 6:28am | I'm just feeling empty and misunderstood. Good cheese will help fill that empty void. So will Guinness. Mmmm. Guinness and cheese... wish I wasnt at work, that would make a good breakfast. Time flies when your having rum. Im a government employee, I dont goof-off. I constructively abuse my time. |
 February 5, 2010 - 6:47am | Gar2k7: I think we can do a lot more for WOTC than buy their stuff. We could write their game, if they wanted something new. They need to change their strategy. The success that TSR had, aside from the book series (Dragon Lance and many others - which were very profitable and kept the company alive) was due to their high quality MODULES. They also had a ginormous Con presence. Now, you could say well, that was the 80's. And you may have a point. Maybe the numbers would not add up. I just think it could be done - and in a way far, far superior than this nonsense I see come and go on the Web and on my local hobby store shelves. Shadow may have been sarcastic, but everything he lists (aside from probably the tampons) would sell under the right circumstances. Where can I get that laser pistol? LOL Dude I find I don't agree with a few things you say on these forums and on somethings I find you very funny and its all good lest we all became Dem and Republican politicians pretending to be different breeds of animal. But if you think a major corp is going to put their financial future in our hands .... Or that they are going to suddenly see the light and say amen halleluia! They are going to do it old school corporate way not old school rpg way cause from their view Gygax was a failure business wise. and they, like Lucas, will not cede control of their product and since they will be putting up the money they will want "THE SAY". I keep hearing this "they're doing GW as D&D 4e" which suggest a mind set that everything should support our money horse cause if the latest incarnation of GW, top secret, SF or any other genre of gaming they put out is essentially 4e then we can entice the fantasy gamers to buy that porduct since they already know the rules. Plus there might be something to this idea off just pushing out rule books, from their perspective. I run into people all the time who say, "I play D&D." and yet the last game they played was what when George Bush was president, thats GB senior! And I'm like dude you dont play D&D anymore. "Yeah I do, I just bought the 4e rules too." so there is a whole crop of people out there willing to drop the money for 3 or more core rule books out of nostolga but dont actually play anything and then they dont really buy modules as well "I'm not happy with the rules books as they left so much out." So the corporation just markets what sells- rules not modules. If modules sold then that guy form marketing would come down to the office of the designers and say, "Hey we need some more of those, what do you call them, Module thingys? They're sell great forget those pricey rule books." [that statement in no way invalidates my agreement that a SF revival will be carried by really good modules- I just feel that is how the suits will look at the situation] At best they'll humor us and then make their own decisions. Businesses do what you're proposing- I just sceptical cause I've never heard of anything like this but even if you did have an example I'd still say, "I'll see it when I believe it." But if you can get WOTC to make you the Imperial Czar of SF and you'd like to hire me to write modules or even rules, sure why not, I got a new car payment and the greedy land lord of my current job is driving the company out of business seeking higher rent when our franchise already pays the highest rent of any of the franchises with our company name. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
February 5, 2010 - 9:14am | That is an idea, though. Perhaps in addition to the Frontiersman, which is an article laden magazine (Dragon), is there any interest (and manpower) to producing an adventure magazine once per quarter or so (Dungeon)? It is unimportant if WOTC picks up SF or sells it off, so long as we can keep producing good materials, right? I'm just throwing this idea out there, not married to it. |
February 5, 2010 - 12:13pm | Well jedion, I guess we are just stuck then? I still think we should assemble a delegation or just have someone talk to them about what is going on. They do need a sci-fi product, I would think. But hey, maybe not... Don't put too much credence on "some guy from marketing." Many of these corporate people are retarded. I should know, I worked for Da Man for 8 years and contracted for him for 5. And this was Wall Street, where supposedly the smart people live. And the morons I saw there - well, just reference late 2008 for more information on that one... Just because they have not tried it, does not mean that it would not work. On the other hand, you are right in that they have total control of the product. I understand that. I also understand that a re-release of SF is a longshot at best. Ok. But, if they did, don't you think those smart guys would have the smarts to at least talk to the active community i.e. us? Wouldn't that be business-wise? Worst thing they could say is no. Remember that they can't shut us down or threaten us with whatever as long as we don't make money from this. |
February 5, 2010 - 1:06pm | Well jedion, I guess we are just stuck
then? No I dont think so and I really dont want to be a cynical Nay sayer its just.... you know that fragging mega corps are involved and that plays like a broken record. I still think we should assemble a delegation or just have
someone talk to them about what is going on. They do need a sci-fi
product, I would think. But hey, maybe not... Sure if meaningful progress was made I'd love it. Its just that I'm convince that my definition of meaningful and corporate speak definition of meaningful are not taken from the same dictionary. Its like the health care issue around here they do surveys saying don't you think the government should MANDATE health care for every American and the stupid sheep hear "free health care" We got mandated health care In my state Law passed and everyone is required to have health care oh you dont have it well you cant get your tax return either and I warned all my friends but... some still got a rude awakening last year. Its about what people use to define words or the very words they use which is the reason for fine print- keep you from using your brain to analyze the words. Anything that sounded great would be well suspect and draw out the cynicism. Don't put too much credence on "some guy from
marketing." Many of these corporate people are retarded. I
should know, I worked for Da Man for 8 years and contracted for him for
5. And this was Wall Street, where supposedly the smart people
live. And the morons I saw there - well, just reference late 2008 for
more information on that one...
I was being generous with that statement. Just because they have not tried it, does not mean that it
would not work. It would take a visionary to try something radical or new, a Gygax if you will, vision does not come from boards or committees, group think tends towards safe and not standing out lest everyone points a finger at you when the wheels come off. But a visionary or and individual who believes will put the money where it needs to be and spit in the eye of cynical nay sayers. Sometimes they win sometimes the lose but corporate On the other hand, you are right in that they have total
control of the product. I understand that. I also understand that a
re-release of SF is a longshot at best. Ok. But, if they did, don't
you think those smart guys would have the smarts to at least talk to the active
community i.e. us?
Wouldn't that be business-wise? Worst thing they could say is no. Bring it on talk is cheap and well if they decide to totally screw with my favorite game then I’d love the chance to have some imput! However, the worst thing they could say is not NO. Its : “Just what the frag has been going on here under the radar?” It’s a nice bed time story about there is nothing they can do to us unless we make money and I rock myself to sleep with that story said as a mantra over and over hoping my cynical self may even one day buy it. Tell me do you really believe in the tooth fairy too. Look you said yourself you were part of the establishment and you’ve never heard of some little insignificant flea being squashed by a goliath of a corporation despite that it was not right or legal for them to do so. They just did it because they could and figured the flea wouldn’t have the moxie or money or mindedness to be able to stand up to them. Sorry, I’d probably really love it if what you propose was
successful but I’m also a realist and if Hasbro wanted to make our lives
difficult I bet they could. Would they? Probably not. Yet there is something to
be said for if it aint broke don’t fix it. Remember that they can't shut us down or threaten us with
whatever as long as we don't make money from this.
NOW! For constructive IDEAs.- next post- stay tuned. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
February 5, 2010 - 2:04pm | <!--[if gte mso 9]> We should ask ourselves what would it take to convince WOTC to take notice of us and actually consider the very thing Imp Lord suggest? Frankly, if they took a good hard look at us now I think they’d chuckle at the thought of putting up the money and letting us do their uff. We are just not professional enough in a lot of ways. Are we good? Yes. Are we the best at this of any fan based effort out there? I don’t know but it would surprise me if we weren’t in the top running for that consideration. Do we have strict or consistent deadlines and produce a regular product bi monthly, quarterly, or other? No so you can tell at this point (No criticism to woot- poor guy aught to be paid for what he does- though I’ve never heard of a robot being paid). The bottom line if any company took a look at us it would be as a market not some one they’d respect. It’s like the prostitute/John relationship: the corporation is a prostitute and she only respects the money she can get out of you. And if her allures are selling she drops them in favor of what she thinks might sell. So what will it take to earn the respect needed to get what Imperial Lord has suggested? We have to be more than a potential market. We will still be part of the market but we have to be something more. Something that drives it and makes it bigger. We have to take the revival up a notch (maybe more than one notch). There are a few potential problems:
What we need to go to the next level:
The above take work and in my opinion that’s what it will take to put us on the radar for what Imperial Lord has suggested. Well at least if we want to be taken seriously. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
 February 5, 2010 - 4:39pm | I for one would be more than willing to take on the task of editing a magazine devoted to adventure scenarios. I know w00t has talked about expanding that aspect of the Star Frontiersman as well ( I'm also willing to help out there.) so we don't necessarily need a separate magazine unless we wanted one. Although I can see how it might be a good idea to leave the Star Frontiersman for background articles, gear, rule variations, etc and have a separate 'zine for just adventures. I was going to recommend "Frontier Adventures" as a title but that is the name of a travel guide company in Alaska , but maybe we could still use it since it is a completely different area.I'm also willing to help out with a rules re-vamp and setting update. Now that I'm back home full time, my kids are expressing an interest in playing again so I have a built-in play-testing group. If we really want to try to do this, I'm more than willing to take the lead in organizing effort along whatever lines we want to take. If I can get the podcast going again on a regular schedule, that will (hopefully) help generate interest as well if we can get it advertised a bit so people start listening to it. Ad Astra Per Ardua! My blog - Expanding Frontier Webmaster - The Star Frontiers Network & this site Founding Editor - The Frontier Explorer Magazine Managing Editor - The Star Frontiersman Magazine |
February 5, 2010 - 7:02pm | If I can get the podcast going again on a regular schedule, that will (hopefully) help generate interest as well if we can get it advertised a bit so people start listening to it. oops sorry Terl I didn't mean to leave the pod cast out of the mix in my analysis of whats needed to take this to the next level. I think the pod cast is another solid brick in the wall. and what were talking about is presenting a solid image of a revival going strong as that sucks others into the excitement. On the issue of creating excitement There must be a RPG news sight out there like this one for miniatures: http://theminiaturespage.com/ where we can put up press releases announcing yet another release of the Star Frontiersman or the release of Frontier Space or the release of the SF based Dungeon mag. The point being that with continued info bombs people start to take notice. and eventually, maybe, someone writes up an article somewhere on what is all this excitement over SF. But we have to create the excitement and the pod cast is a piece of that. I've sort of committed to splitting a hotel room for Historicon this July but in 2011 it would be a good year for a space odessy ;) and I'd skip Historicon to run a game hell I'd run two! All of this takes organization and a plan, and we need to make sure we dont dilute our efforts so that we dont come up short- so if an adventure magazine makes SFman suffer then we dont do it as the zine has had adventures in the past and could hold them in the future no problem. I think a good set of rules whether Frontier Space with a side document or source book for playing Star Frontiers with it or another digital remaster that is more of a fan rewrite is neccessary for the long run but it may not be critical today. Its just that we need to make it easy for a newbie to dive in. so that when they say what do I need and where do I get it just tell them, "Get rules set X free by download as its sort of a 2nd edition. and grab the adventure mag and your good to go. You can grab down loads of the older rules but all you need is this one doc and down load the online modules (adventure mag) that you want to play. I've been trying to step up my article writing and put a better polish on them then I was want to do to help woot and I've been thinking about what I can do to take it up a notch. 1. I dont know if you all like my Dundjini produced maps at all. I have a substantial collection of art for the program but when I collected much of it I never bothered to read the conditions on use and or checked to see if it was ok for me to coppy and use the art as I knew at the time I would only be using it for my personal gaming group. A bit short sighted as I hesitate to submit maps to the zine lest their be a legal issue I'm actuall going to make a master file of all my maps and art and delete and re-install the program then make a street legal side and a dont ask questions side to the art files. also I've started to run down the sites artwork came from and checked on conditions of use and such even for commercial purposes which we dont really fall under. The bottom line is that I'll straighten out and set my house in order where the mapping program is concerned and eliminate any concern for using my maps as I will dot the T's and cross the I's. 2. I'd like to focus on a project and I think between the mapping resource and my propensity to just come up with ideas for adventures I'd like to begin working up material for the adventure mag. what ever we decide to call it. However, I know my strengths and weaknesses and I'd like to have an editor looking over my shoulder if for nothing else to catch those rare moments when I my brain thinks one thing and the hands type something else as well as gramar and spelling issues. I have 4 years experience as college year book editor which meant I did every single job on the book at one time or another and many times all at the same time but I always got the English proffessor to double check my copy sheets for me. I'll also need help with artwork for that as well cause we'll want it produced to the same standard as the fanzine. Oh and if we have material ready to go and the SFman is facing a failure to meet a deadline due to lack of material I'll push to put the adventure stuff in the SFman so that it maintains the image we need it to do. Of course that mean more of us have to step up and contribute but that goes without saying. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
February 5, 2010 - 7:16pm | I wouldn't have an issue working over my website once again to be more of a blog on the home page. It actually wouldn't take much and that would provide the type of announcement format we need. Then we just direct people to that page and it provides the links to everywhere else Star Frontiers. I love your maps, BTW, jedi. Keep 'em coming. Ad Astra Per Ardua! My blog - Expanding Frontier Webmaster - The Star Frontiers Network & this site Founding Editor - The Frontier Explorer Magazine Managing Editor - The Star Frontiersman Magazine |
February 6, 2010 - 3:39pm | Just a few comments. (Please don't take them as belittling other ideas nor taking control or usurp authority. The last thing we need is a split in the community) Thanks for the kudo's. Even robots have feelings. :-D @Jedi - dividing time is understood. If we only did SF for a living, think what kinds of products we'd have. :-) DwD Studios was created to provide a professional front for Star Frontiers, supplements for other games (Labyrinth Lord, Traveller, whatever), and new games we create. Refer to the Announcement in #13. Right now were a community with a webzine, a handful of remastered SF material, a few SF sites, a one-man podcast and an email list. It's a hodge-podge. Think about the future when DwD becomes well known; people will recognize it as a real tangible place for goodness. We all want to be taken seroiously and provide professionalism. You might interrupt this as saying everything needs to go under DwD, I'm not saying that. I'm saying it's an outlet for professional published material. I agree with anything to promote SF and our community. I've asked for help announcing new issues of the webzine - if your one of those thanks! (Consider twitter, facebook and a tag line in your posts/emails promoting SF) Bill has specific permission from WOTC. One of which allows us to use artwork and material in Star Frontiers only if we publish using the d20 system. I for one am not a fan of d20 but it's a great way to put something together that is approved by the man. Additionally I think the next major project for DwD will be SF 2.0 (not sure of the name) or the inclusion of a fan-based setting book for FrontierSpace(TM). My personal goals (I said in chat last night) is to finish up in the next 6-8 months the SF T-shirts, Convention and something else I forget. hahahaha. I suck. Anyway... this has been a long thread and I'm glad to see we have listed some goals. Let's hope the drive to post is also the drive to see things completed. My opinion on another webzine; Don't. It will only distract from what we've built so far. If something does not fit inside the webzine, or is for another game system then we can professionally publish that material separately. It could be a PDF download or we can post on Lulu (I love hardcopies). Issue 1-6 is available for $10 (+ shipping) from Lulu and were attempting to get 7-12 together. I would like to see Basically Speaking in hardcopy. Go Shadow!!!! I have some ideas that will be presented in #14 - if ppl get on board (ahem Mr. Idea Man) and can finish writing adventures we could publish a Book of Adventures. How do I publish something? When you have your material ready you can make the format you like or send it to Terl, Ascent or me (the only 3 I know who can do layouts). We might make suggestion or already have a standard layout for modules. DwD will have it's own guide for publishing. In conclusion I don't want to control but I want to stay unified. |
February 6, 2010 - 5:28pm | Right now were a community with a webzine, a handful of remastered SF material, a few SF sites, a one-man podcast and an email list. It's a hodge-podge. Think about the future when DwD becomes well known; people will recognize it as a real tangible place for goodness. We all want to be taken seroiously and provide professionalism. You might interrupt this as saying everything needs to go under DwD, I'm not saying that. I'm saying it's an outlet for professional published material. Translation: You want to run the whole show and get everyone doing things your way and to hell with what anyone else has to say. You can't even keep a website up, or get the zine out on time, and you want to run the whole show. Yeah, I can see that one going down in flames. Another zine? Hell, yeah, let's do it, the more SF-related material, and the more unfettered, uninhibited community presence, the better it will be all round. After all, Challenge and Journal of the Traveller's Aid Society, far from distracting one another, were both mutually beneficial to Traveller, same as Dragon and Dungeon were to D&D. "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
February 6, 2010 - 10:00pm | Chill, Will. Although publishing through an outfit with "dorks" in it's name is a bit of a turn off for me.  Seems very unprofessional.Ad Astra Per Ardua! My blog - Expanding Frontier Webmaster - The Star Frontiers Network & this site Founding Editor - The Frontier Explorer Magazine Managing Editor - The Star Frontiersman Magazine |
