 September 5, 2009 - 12:07pm | I'm reading hscodex today ( Heroscapes webzine http://www.hscodex.com/ ) and noticed that some of the articles are direct copy-and-paste from the heroscapers.com website. I have not been able to keep up with my Heroscape customs nor play the game as much as I like - so the webzine was useful in that it reviewed some of the great content on the site. It has been Bill's desire that online content (including this site) should not simply be a re-print of the same info. If it does then it should appear in the webzine first, then this site....but we have had a few submission that appear online - mostly deckplans or a good articles (Getting Drunk! for instance). What do you all think of taking posts from this site and expanding them for our webzine? Yes, that is a great idea but.... No, keep the content fresh for the zine, I spend a lot of time of this site and don't want to re-read material. Note that our webzine is still the best in appearance and content. |
 September 5, 2009 - 1:00pm | Yes...but only exceptional posts that really add something to the game. "Getting Drunk!" is a good example of this type of post. It made a good article. Deck plans are also OK, as it is best to put them out for public comment, to see that you didn't leave out something - like the main airlock. But no semi-nudes or crew on the throne in the magazine version. What you don't want to happen is for the magazine to be a TOTAL REPRINT of the forum posts. Only the very best should appear in the magazine and in very limited numbers. |
 September 5, 2009 - 2:43pm | I don't recall there being any such restrictions in past issues. A lot of the articles have been essentially cut and paste. Yeah, you definitely don't want it to consume the magazine, but personally, I find the magazine to be more convenient than hunting through this or any other site for that information. In the magazine, I know about approximately where to look for an article I want without having to sift through tons of online content or waiting for pages to load. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
 September 5, 2009 - 3:11pm | put the meat of it into the article with a link to forum posts for furthur discussion. would you be able to put a "Hot Topic" section into the zine with highlights and links to the most active links? That sound like alot of work. Time flies when your having rum. Im a government employee, I dont goof-off. I constructively abuse my time. |
September 5, 2009 - 6:25pm | Good ideas. I think it's worth trying something in 13 or 14. @ Rum Rogue, Now.. if we could find someone to keep an eye out for content on this site and make a Hot Topic list. :-) |
 September 5, 2009 - 9:56pm | I would think a good post that was expanded would be the best IMO. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
 September 9, 2009 - 2:08pm | But no semi-nudes or crew on the throne in the magazine version. Guess I'd better edit that one...I'm writing up the deck key for submission. |
September 10, 2009 - 1:01pm | But no semi-nudes or crew on the throne in the magazine version. Guess I'd better edit that one...I'm writing up the deck key for submission. The magazine is supposed to be an E for Everyone publication.  That does limit some artistic expression and some of the jokes, but IMHO it will be a better publication without the R and X rated stuff. |
September 10, 2009 - 1:19pm | I thought the dude on the throne was amusing. Time flies when your having rum. Im a government employee, I dont goof-off. I constructively abuse my time. |
 September 12, 2009 - 1:20pm | Well seeing as how much of the content in Star Frontiers, especially some of the artwork, was a pretty solid PG-13 with skin tight clothes and revealing sci-fi wardrobe. A few of the more violent images definitely pushed it into PG-13 terriroty. I understand the consensous of the zine being geared to most age groups (I say most bc honestly there is some content here that I wouldnt want to have to explain to an eight year old). I think we should try to stay within the realm of good taste but not prohibit good art that might be a little "edge-y". |
September 12, 2009 - 12:21pm | That trend will be broken with issue #13 on. I have already drawn several images that will make for excellent pin-ups. Only one of them is any bit suggestive. The rest are just tight outfits and aluring poses. Larry also already has a couple online images of that nature with unlimited licenses he will be using for issues #13 and 14. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
September 12, 2009 - 12:43pm | That trend will be broken with issue #13 on. I have already drawn several images that will make for excellent pin-ups. Only one of them is any bit suggestive. The rest are just tight outfits and alluring poses. Larry also already has a couple online images of that nature with unlimited licenses he will be using for issues #13 and 14. Thinking about this...It is very traditional in Sci Fi to have "Babes in tight clothes". Just look at the covers of some classic Sci Fi novels or the costumes worn in the old Republic Serials (Flash Gordon from the 1930s or 40s). You could use that as a guide: If you could put it on a Sci Fi book cover in the 1960s, then it is probably OK. That's why Editors get paid the big bucks - to make these kind of tough decisions.  |
September 12, 2009 - 1:18pm | I think everyone will get it if its obviously retro looking pin up material done in good taste and fun- something that would have been edgy in the '50s but if its edgy by todays standards then its likely to be a problem. Personally I'd love to see some artwork to fill the role of nose art for assault scouts with obvious inspiration from WW2 bombers but upgraded for SF The White Light module has a good piece for the Osprey, its just not in color. if we were short on classified throw a nose art on the back cover in full color- its just a bit of fluff but I'd find it cool. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
 September 12, 2009 - 4:03pm | As long as it's in good taste, I have no objections. Nose art: Excellent idea! "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
September 12, 2009 - 7:33pm | As long as it's in good taste, I have no objections. Nose art: Excellent idea! Nose art doesn't have to be all sexy either plenty of it in WW2 was cartoon figures (usually holding a bomb or weapon) and the Osprey's nose are is a cartoonish osprey holding a laser pistol. I would love to see some similar for the other war birds in the Clarion fleet- similar bemuscled cartoonish birds doing or even saying something like Shadow's character in my game who's moto is "It's not Gollywog Frag hole!" I would limit the nose art to assault scouts as they have the small tight knit crews like WW2 bomber crews. It doesn't seem appropriate for a frigate- though a pirate might put one on his frigate it could be a semi regular series with a few offering of Red Devil pirate band nose art: one titled "lucky devil" one titled "sexy devil" etc. then another time some Royal Marine scout ship nose art. and so on. we do have the excellent order of battle article listing all the names of all the military ships from all the published sources one good name could inspire someone to draw something. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
September 13, 2009 - 3:51am | Nose art, that would be cool. I did a photoshop revision of the Osprey for the Basically Speaking game, changing that interior art to the CMS Falcon with a stylized firebird logo and a different number onthe nose. Just for the record, "Hells Angels" is copyrighted...just ask Disney how they had to change a lot of their scripting in Wild Hogs to accomodate that mistake (of all the companies out there with massive copyright protection legal teams too...  ).Just throwing it out there as there were several bomber groups in both WW1 and WW2 that flew that slogan, before the club was formed. |
September 13, 2009 - 4:26am | Heres a web page documenting WW2 and Korean war nose art- it seems that quite a bit qualified as soft porn. http://www.nose-art.net/ though by todays standards its quite tame. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
September 13, 2009 - 8:18am | Nose art, that would be cool. I did a photoshop revision of the Osprey for the Basically Speaking game, changing that interior art to the CMS Falcon with a stylized firebird logo and a different number onthe nose. Just for the record, "Hells Angels" is copyrighted...just ask Disney how they had to change a lot of their scripting in Wild Hogs to accomodate that mistake (of all the companies out there with massive copyright protection legal teams too... ).Just throwing it out there as there were several bomber groups in both WW1 and WW2 that flew that slogan, before the club was formed. And, the Foreign Legion, in WWI, earned the nickname Devil's Guard. "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
September 13, 2009 - 8:23am | Heres a web page documenting WW2 and Korean war nose art- it seems that quite a bit qualified as soft porn. http://www.nose-art.net/ though by todays standards its quite tame. Didn't find my Uncle Bill's B-24 in there, but the Red Raider nose art looked interesting. Just thinking, why can't anything larger than an assault scout have nose art...I mean, during the Age of Sail, each warship had a distinctive figurehead on its bowspirit, this could be an extension of that. "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
September 13, 2009 - 12:59pm | I cant say i agree with the assesment of it being soft-core porn. But as an artist I'm not big on censorship either, I think tastefulness and common sense is what is most important. If its something going to be circulated to a large audience of mixed ages then of course a more conservative approach is warranted. |
September 13, 2009 - 1:51pm | Will has a good point. Jolly Rogers, and other jacks, are definitely not limited to scout ships. And unique, even named, figureheads on the prow, beneath the bowsprit were typically only present on larger than scout-sized sailing ships (not just warships). Since it wouldn't be prudent to use a figurehead on large ships, a large painted symbol would be likely. Though, for larger ships, they wouldn't likely use traditional nose art (cartoons and beautiful women). View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
September 13, 2009 - 6:21pm | They might, especially given the number of ships with feminine names(Sun Princess, Marie Celeste, Queen Mary, &C.) "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
September 13, 2009 - 9:57pm | I think the reason Assault scouts out of the military orders of battle would be prone to having nose art is the close tight knit crew where traditional military discipline might be more relaxed. pirates would be very likely to do nose art on any size ship and any other ship where an individual might have lots of control over it could have nose art. corporate fleets would be likely to just fly company colors. Personally I just dont see destroyers and cruisers sporting nose art in the UPF order of battle but then I'm just 1 GM. none the less I'd be all kinds of excited to see some in the zine for use in the game- either generic or tied to a specific ships name. and a great intro into this would be either art for Red Devil ships or Royal Marine ships, after that maybe some outer reach ships or just a random selection of generic nose art. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
September 14, 2009 - 1:45am | I wouldn't say captial ships shouldn't sport nose art, but agree that it would probably be more prevalent on the scouts and fighters. For starters, take a gander at the big ship on the KH Campaign Book cover, it has a stylized logo on the nose. Granted with Assault Scouts attacking, it's safe to say that's no UPF ship...but I wouldn't have a problem with capital ships sporting nose art. Especially a militia ship, the Leo crew would have to be jsut as tight as any of the CMS assault scout crews, that would rank as the "be all, end all" career promotion for their fleet. |
September 15, 2009 - 8:38pm | Here's a pic of an Intrepid Class Frigate Sporting Some Fleet Insignia Nose Art |
