 May 1, 2008 - 2:18pm | Yeah I was hoping we could work on this... This kind of dovetails into the whole Frontier government dealie. It would probably be best to establish basic principles of the UPF Charter, and work forwards from there. On the one hand, we could use an earthly government as the model. Or that might be derivative and boring. I'm open to any ideas or suggestions, of course. |
 May 1, 2008 - 3:00pm | The UPF Charter is the outcome of the SWI or SWII? |
May 1, 2008 - 3:28pm | I think it was drawn up at the start of SWI, but I could be wrong. Or the canon might be unspecific... Or contradictory... You know how it is. |
May 1, 2008 - 6:29pm | I looked on this site for the UPF Charter and couldn't find anything. I thoght for sure you had a post in the UPF project. I'll search through my SF material - coming up with a charter is an excellent idea. Drals rule and Imps drool! LOL |
May 14, 2008 - 9:51am | I have thought that the UPF Charter should revolve around the following principles: 1. Mutual Defense 2. Exploration 3. Colonization 4. Regulation of interplanetary trade Anything else? |
May 14, 2008 - 1:30pm | I have thought that the UPF Charter should revolve around the following principles: 1. Mutual Defense 2. Exploration 3. Colonization 4. Regulation of interplanetary trade Anything else? Maintain systems that facilitate commerce and communications. /me thinking of more... |
May 14, 2008 - 1:57pm | Regulation of interplanetary commerce and communications, then? Does anyone else out there want to chime in? |
May 14, 2008 - 2:00pm | By the way, Larry - there is definitely something in Knight Hawks about the UPF Charter. I believe it is in the campaign section. It does not say much, but there is something in there. I'm pretty sure it just says something to the effect that the member planets cannot be interfered with on their surfaces (if you will) by the UPF. In other words, UPF authority starts outside of member planet orbit. |
 May 14, 2008 - 2:29pm | I'd say your inital list just about covers it. (in order to form a more perfect union, establish
justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote
the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty and all that  )I always had the UPF (Star Fleet, Star Law, etc) have jurisdiction right up to the planet's atmosphere and the surface of it's moons. In other words, if it was on the ground they didn't interfere unless invited (or in pursuit in the case of Star Law) but if it was in space (including on the space stations) they had full, if sometimes joint, jurisdiction. Ad Astra Per Ardua! My blog - Expanding Frontier Webmaster - The Star Frontiers Network & this site Founding Editor - The Frontier Explorer Magazine Managing Editor - The Star Frontiersman Magazine |
 May 14, 2008 - 6:18pm | I would go with either like militia (civil defense) and military groups hold jurisdiction all over the place in times of war. Civil Defense is meant to keep policing of planets in the hands of citizens and not the federation military. While military groups can train, bring relief (natural disasters, etc), and even defense on worlds that dont have any real protection from bandits, pirates, or even Sathar. Confucious Says: Man with one chopstick go hungry. Man who eat many prunes get good run for money. Man who live in glass house should change clothes in basement. |
May 14, 2008 - 7:04pm | Searching through the KH PDF... Pirates in the Frontier pg. 96 -- Some lightly populated planets have governments that are actually run by pirates. Because of the charter of the UPF, the Spacefleet is prohibited from taking direct action against these worlds, and must limit itself to intercepting pirate ships as they go about their unlawful business. Outer Reach (Dramune system) is the most significant of these pirate governments. pg 91 The UPF is not an empire in any sense of the word. Matters of internal government are left to the member planets. The UPF does collect taxes for the maintenance of the Star Law Rangers and the Spacefleet, but the United Planets are concerned only with the defense of the Frontier. Planetary governments and large corporations make most of the day to day policy decisions on the various planets of the Frontier. The organization of several of these institutions is explained below, as well as a brief description of the interaction between the Four Races and the Sathar. The Spacefleet was formed after the first Sathar war, to defend the Four Races of the Frontier from all external foes. The fleet has been equipped with a series of fast and modern ships, the mightiest of which are the three battleships: Admiral Clinton, Admiral Morgaine and Admiral Harsevoort. |
May 15, 2008 - 11:00am | So it would seem, Larry, that the UPF Charter was created after SW1. There must be governing bodies, though. The good news about such a "loose canon" is that we are largely free to make up whatever we want. |
May 15, 2008 - 12:51pm | There must be governing bodies, though. The good news about such a "loose canon" is that we are largely free to make up whatever we want. ..but only if you stay within established canon.  |
 June 7, 2008 - 10:13am | I always saw the UPF as a federalist government: The Federation has the right to do some things and the planets others.(similer to The US the National gov can do somethings but the states do more that affect every day life. (insert sarcastic comeback here) |
June 10, 2008 - 8:31am | Actually, if we want to get really ballsy, we can attempt to WRITE the UPF Charter... Yikes But anyway, I think laws around the principles stated here are accurate. |
June 11, 2008 - 10:15pm | I would go with some of the European alliances, treaties, and experiemental governments. You might be able to find some ideas and influences that could help write the UPF charter. Or if you really want to be searching for stuff look through Asian and African history. You never know what you can find. Like all good fictional ideas,they influenced by real events. Confucious Says: Man with one chopstick go hungry. Man who eat many prunes get good run for money. Man who live in glass house should change clothes in basement. |
