I want to put up a new cadre/party I made for comment but...

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ChrisDonovan
April 10, 2016 - 6:55pm
I don't want to start any nasty debates about RL politics.  It might be a bit too much "on the nose" for some.

Should I go ahead or should I not so we don't get into any flame wars?

Thoughts?
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ChrisDonovan
April 19, 2016 - 7:24pm
"Junior Rangers" maybe?

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JCab747
April 19, 2016 - 8:19pm
ChrisDonovan wrote:
"Junior Rangers" maybe?


I could see "Junior Rangers" being a branch of the Star Rangers for those who want to be Junior Star Law Rangers -- like Junior G-man!

Pathfinders might be a good name for, say, a younger youth group (am I using oxymorons here?).

And, this organization is more for fluff or background. Though, if one had to spend an experience point or two during character creation, maybe it would give you a couple of environmentalist skills like say "finding directions" or making a shelter that you could have even if your PSA is in computers or robotics. To advanced to the Dragon (Lossend Dragon) level, would be two XPs during character creation, but it could give a beginning character advantages such as an initial pay hike versus non-Star Ranger characters.

Just a few thoughts.
Joe Cabadas

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jedion357
February 27, 2019 - 10:48pm
ChrisDonovan wrote:
"Junior Rangers" maybe?


There is a cannon reference in Villains of Volturnus page 27 the prtagonist refers to being in the Cadets

EDIT: we could have fun with this and call them Space Cadets?
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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JCab747
February 28, 2019 - 1:45pm
jedion357 wrote:
ChrisDonovan wrote:
"Junior Rangers" maybe?


There is a cannon reference in Villains of Volturnus page 27 the prtagonist refers to being in the Cadets

EDIT: we could have fun with this and call them Space Cadets?
 

Well, that could be. I new meaning for "You're a real space cadet!"

Yes, this is another piece I wish to dust off.
Joe Cabadas

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iggy
March 3, 2019 - 11:33pm
In real life I am die hard into scouting.  I've always wanted to create scouts for SF so that it could play as background matierial.  I see it as a human thing the yazirians picked up on then dralasites tagged into because they like to join groups.  The vrusk young are seldom represented because they spend so much time in the corporate nurseries.

In an email to Jedion I mentioned I like that the spacer version of scouts could be called cadets but would just use scout for planetside groups.  Scouts exists in so many contries on Earth that the name scout is pretty free, kinda like calling anyone in a school a student.  You expect a student to attend a school and study, maybe wear a uniform, act a certain way based n their age, know certian things based on their age, etc.  Scout is the same way.  Say scout and there is an expected image in most places of the world without the concept being owned by one contry or organization, just like a student is from many schools.  Scout organizations have banded together in the world scout organization but there are some compeeting scout movements that are not part of the world scout organization.  Thus I think we could use the name scout without any problems.  The name scout existed prior to BP adopting the name and the functions and skills of scouts have long been much the same.

We could sufficently upgrade the look and structure of frontier scouts to adopt the feel of SF so that it is not Earth scouts plopped into SF.
-iggy

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jedion357
March 4, 2019 - 8:28am
iggy wrote:

We could sufficently upgrade the look and structure of frontier scouts to adopt the feel of SF so that it is not Earth scouts plopped into SF.


That is going to be a challenge. the minute you have a youth organization w/ a uniform and practices any kind of survival skills.


I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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JCab747
March 4, 2019 - 10:36am
jedion357 wrote:
iggy wrote:

We could sufficently upgrade the look and structure of frontier scouts to adopt the feel of SF so that it is not Earth scouts plopped into SF.


That is going to be a challenge. the minute you have a youth organization w/ a uniform and practices any kind of survival skills.


 

Perhaps scouts could get the environmental skills (all or some) as a skill level 0 instead of getting a -10 percent penalty? (This is easier to accomplish under the Zebulon rules, since a lot of skills are split up).


Joe Cabadas

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iggy
March 4, 2019 - 6:41pm
I haven't been thinking about skills and game mechanics.  I've been thinking about setting and background material.
-iggy

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JCab747
March 4, 2019 - 6:57pm
iggy wrote:
I haven't been thinking about skills and game mechanics.  I've been thinking about setting and background material.
 

I like setting and background material.
Joe Cabadas

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Shadow Shack
March 16, 2019 - 8:46pm
Look no further than the Scout branch of service in Traveller. Exploration, communication, survey, and if neccessary...war. Cool
I'm not overly fond of Zeb's Guide...nor do I have any qualms stating why. Tongue out

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JCab747
March 16, 2019 - 9:24pm
Shadow Shack wrote:
Look no further than the Scout branch of service in Traveller. Exploration, communication, survey, and if neccessary...war. Cool


True. Though in this case, the scouts are more of a kids/teen/young adult organization that a character probably would exist in before becoming an adventurer... unless, one wants to create adventures around kids. Of course, SF gives a 14+ year old the chance to play an adult.

Any how, instead of Space Cadets or Star Rangers... maybe they could be called Star Scouts, Frontier Scouts... Star Frontier Scouts!

I do have to get back to this thread because I have a number of typos to correct before it could be published as a story. At the moment I am dealing with the death of my father a week ago, real world writing projects, and plodding along with a few Sathar related stories for FE.
Joe Cabadas

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jedion357
March 17, 2019 - 5:33am
Baden Powel wrote his first book on scouting after his experiences in war and using "scouts" in military operations in Africa. His goal was to help preserve knowledge and skills for future officers and commanders. When he saw how popular the book was with young boys back in England. He felt that boys needed something geared to them and that was directed toward mentoring them to develop into moral principled adults and because of that he formed Scouting for youth and fell into youth work.

The real world connection is there to the kind of Traveler scouts that Richard mentions.

just gonna say it Star Frontier Scouts- not going to use that in my game- cant really articulate why but I dont like the name.

I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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jedion357
March 17, 2019 - 5:54am
Scouting today has problems and I'm not in a place to talk about those issue autoritatively.

19 years ago it had problems as well.- suburban troops run by adults not using the cirriculum and not getting as much out of it IMHO as they could have.

Scout executives that were using it a cushy salary and not doing much but enjoying their salary and pursuing other things important to them. or mismanaging their council's assets till smaller councils were forced to merge with large councils so that properties could be sold off to put the larger council back in the black and prevent the scandal of a major metropolitan area council from going bankrupt. (Boston) and then the process starts all over again with waste and mismanagement.

But if you got a desparate father that was snared by a scout executive who missed his calling as a used car salesman and that father was roped into scoutmastering and didn't know what to do so just did what the cirriculum said then magic happened. because then that father wouldn't really try to lead the troop but mentor the boys to lead the troop and within months he would have two 12 year old leaders who were effectively leading parties of 6 and a 13 year old "senior" leader leading them. and then that desparate father would actually survive not having any soccer moms because he was in the inner city and most fo the parents were illegal aliens.

I say all that because current events may or may not be painting Scouting in a good light depending on your social/political outlook right now: Boy Scouts allowing girls to join, LDS dumping their scouting involvement (which rumor has it is taking 1/3 of their base away) Girls Scouts are pissed with BSA for screwing them etc. Its going to take a decade for all of this to shake out. so I wouldn't consider scouting right now for a model for anything.

My final attitude is Scouting works if you work it. and by that I mean if you work it old school as a mentoring program for youth. My experiences say alot of scouting today is adult run, I'm sure the kids have some fun but it could be so much better if it was youth lead with the adults there for guidance.


I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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Shadow Shack
March 17, 2019 - 7:54pm
JCab747 wrote:
At the moment I am dealing with the death of my father a week ago

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Sorry to hear about this.
I'm not overly fond of Zeb's Guide...nor do I have any qualms stating why. Tongue out

My SF website

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jedion357
March 18, 2019 - 4:09am
Shadow Shack wrote:
JCab747 wrote:
At the moment I am dealing with the death of my father a week ago

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Sorry to hear about this.


[smacks head for missing this] Condolences Joe.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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JCab747
March 18, 2019 - 7:27am
Thanks for your condolences.
Joe Cabadas