 April 15, 2014 - 6:09am | I just wanted to publically state that an article I wrote back in SFman #18 "The Yazirian Files" failed to give credit to Iggy/Eric for his Legend of the First Clan story that was included under the section header "Yazirian files". I was no longer involved in the production of the SFman zine and just didn't spot that oversight at the time of publication. As it stands it appears in the zine that I wrote that story and this is not true. Eric deserves the credit and recognition for his work as I am a fan of his stuff and often marvel at how he manages to write stuff that I feel like I should have thought of it before but had not. I had no intent to pass off Eric's material as my own and I'm sure this is just an inadvertant mistake at a time when the SFman was undergoing a change of editorship. With deepest apologies to Eric, Tom V /jedion357 I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
 April 15, 2014 - 6:52am | You need to submit this to the Star Frontiersman, as an attribution correction. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
 April 15, 2014 - 10:06am | Tom, You didn't need to post an apology thread here. We discussed this in private email and I was never hurt. I do however appreciate your feelings and understand why you need to speak publicly. Thank you. All, Respect Tom's actions and let the issue remain the size it really is, small between friends. This is important for Tom to say without blowing it out of proportion. I'll write more yazirian legends to follow on to the first clan story and eventually there will be an epic Eric -iggy |
April 15, 2014 - 5:33pm | It's a minor issue if handled correctly. Posting on this forum is a temporary thing. The correction lasts only as long as the post is visible and those who don't read the forum never see it and thus it becomes as if the correction was never made. I think correct attribution is important, not just as a matter of infringement, but as a matter of understanding who the source is and knowing who it is you're really looking for when one wants to keep up with their work, or in some cases, not bother with their work. What I'm saying, iggy, is that the issue is bigger than you and jedion. It includes all the readers. It also not only keeps other editors honest, (jedion is no doubt honest,) but keeps them vigilant regarding correct attribution, as this is certainly an issue of vigilance. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
April 15, 2014 - 6:07pm | I'll have a chat with William, Iggy's being modest, in my opinion and Ascent has made an important point. I simply wanted to make a public statement since the "offense" was public. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
April 15, 2014 - 7:45pm | @Ascent, I totally see your point and jedion and I have been conversing in email privately prior to his post here. There is a large responsibility taken on by publishing a fan community magazine. Like all startup projects I have been involved with in my career that responsibility is gained through maturity. This coupled with other events shows that shift in our community. Thank you for facilitating a means of bringing out the larger issue without a major schism. Jedion and I have been handling this carefully. There is more at play that neither jedion nor I will share publicly. I'll just say that jedion did an inadvertent service putting my work in with his article. He never knew what he did for me until now and the private emails we have exchanged. -iggy |
 May 3, 2014 - 4:38pm | I would like to apologize also, since it was my mistake with all of the changes going on at the time. as for making a correction in the SFman, I am no longer creating any issues and so that would have to be addressed to Bill or Larry to go back and edit and repost the issue. |
May 4, 2014 - 7:18am | No, no. There's no need to edit an old issue. jedion will simply provide a statement regarding the crediting mishap in an up-coming issue. That's all. It doesn' need to be an article or a corrected article. It should just be a brief statement that the editor can put in a small box somewhere in the up-coming issue. Actually, there are quite a few crediting mistakes from earlier issues that could be corrected this way. Larry had a habit of crediting the person submitting an updated version of an old Dragon article without crediting the original author, or crediting the original author with no mention of the one who updated it. And I'm pretty sure there's one or two others where the wrong person was credited like the matter discussed here. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
May 4, 2014 - 9:06am | There are more or less no upcoming issues of the SFman. FE has no link to the SFman at all and Larry and Bill consider the SFman name to be proprietary to them so I dont see how this statement can be made. The editors of FE have no right to make authoritative statements concerning SFman like that. Eric an I have talked and the issue is settled for us. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
May 4, 2014 - 10:55am | Actually, I was talking about the SFman, and I don't remember anyone saying that there would be no more issues of the SFman. If you have a link to an official statement of its discontinuance, please post it here. They just posted Issue #24 last month, and it didn't mention being the last. On the contrary, the editor's note in that issue mentions a "big adventure next issue". Here is the link to the official page: View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
May 4, 2014 - 4:16pm | Actually, I was talking about the SFman, and I don't remember anyone saying that there would be no more issues of the SFman. If you have a link to an official statement of its discontinuance, please post it here. They just posted Issue #24 last month, and it didn't mention being the last. On the contrary, the editor's note in that issue mentions a "big adventure next issue". Here is the link to the official page: I dont want to tell tales out of school but there is nothing new happening at the SFman and I believe the last work on an SFman issue was done 6 months ago. Of course my information could be in error. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
May 4, 2014 - 6:26pm | That issue wasn't released six months ago. Like I said, it was released last month. (actually around 2 months ago.) If you're not speaking from an official announcement or even having heard it from someone in the know, then I'd say you need to go back to school. Forgive the bluntness, but if it's just quess work, then you're spreading false rumors. You named it yourself, 'telling tales'. William Douglass has done a great job of getting issues out every 3 months. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
May 4, 2014 - 7:17pm | That issue wasn't released six months ago. Like I said, it was released last month. (actually around 2 months ago.) If you're not speaking from an official announcement or even having heard it from someone in the know, then I'd say you need to go back to school. Forgive the bluntness, but if it's just quess work, then you're spreading false rumors. You named it yourself, 'telling tales'. William Douglass has done a great job of getting issues out every 3 months. I at a loss as to why this conversation is picking up steam. I've made every effort to correct the problem. I cannot put a statement in the next issue of the SFman and have no power nor imput in it. Eric and William and I have discussed things in email and to my knowledge all concerned are fairly well satisfied. My statement as to "6 months" dealt with when I understood the work on the next SFman to have been finished. You have no arguement with me as to the work that William did on the SFman. I'm curious as to why we seem to be having an arguement? Should we take this to email? I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
May 4, 2014 - 8:41pm | you're being defensive, and I'm not putting you there. And because of that, you're reading more into my words than is there. I never said you would put the statement in the magazine. I said you would "provide a statement". If you do not wish to address it, I won't twist your arm. That's not what this discussion was about. Personally, I thought the matter was already settled and that you were going to submit an adjustment to the SFman. The community has not been informed of the SFman being discontinued. By the way, I forgot that Karxan is William. But just because he is not working on the magazine does not mean the magazine is not being worked on. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
May 5, 2014 - 4:09am | Well... the old Sfman site, which had a feature for submitting things is gone. The new site, which is apart of DWD studios doesn't seem to have a method of submitting anything, or at the very least its not easily found. I've brought the issue out in the open which was my responsibility to do once I realized that a mistake had happened. Its actually the editor's responsibility to make a correction. and it shouldn't take anymore than a statement of "X material was miscredited, the proper credit is Y". If there is an editor of the SFman I'm sure he should be able to handle that. Larry has had a habbit, in the past of reworking and resubmitting issues of the zines to perfect them so I have no idea what will be done. BTW, telling people what they should do or that they are defensive is putting them on the defensive such that they either have to accept the orders or the label that has been put on them or challenge it. There have been a recent of number of posts where labels have been thrown out that felt condescending. I don't know you that well but I have amassed an impression of who you are over the years and the tone of some of our discussions, of late, have taken on an edge, meaning you "feel" different to me. I have not gotten personal with throwing out a label but have simply stated what facts I know. If there is a problem I would be happy to talk it out by email. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
May 5, 2014 - 9:08am | Seeing as I did not give you any orders or label you, then there is no cause for defense by your own definition. It seems to me that you may be letting a political discussion color your perception of my own attitude toward you, or perhaps letting it color your perception of who I am. I am not my political viewpoint or your adversary in any way. As to labeling you, saying you are "being defensive" is identifying an attitude. I think you may be falling prey to the same problem that has affected so many others. I used to wonder at why people would get mad at me when i was simply stating an opinion. Bill has always marveled at how people end up getting mad at me over nothing that he could discern. For the longest time I beat myself up over the fact that so many did not like me, but then I finally figured out the problem. I don't speak how others want me to speak. All I can say is, that's too bad. Bill has no problem interpreting my meaning. He has only once ever gotten angry with me and then realized he had misinterpreted what I said. That is the only time he has ever been riled at me that I'm aware of. When I say something like "you are being defensive", try rethinking what I'm saying. If I had spoken in a perfect way that you would not interpret as "labeling", then I might have said, "I sense you are feeling defensive". It means exactly the same thing, but it doesn't sound as much like a label, as you may have interpreted "being" as saying that you yourself are a "being" labeled "defensive". That is a fallacy called "equivocation". Though I used it as a verb, you may have interpreted as a noun. I cannot claim responsibility for that. I hope that makes sense. it's much easier to change an attitude than it is to change a speech pattern that you were raised with. (There are thousands of variables to speech that must each be accounted for, but only one variable to attitude: choice.) It's a fairly simple thing to assume peace before assuming offense. I had a behavioral psychology class where they expounded the right way to speak. After years of trying to apply it and seeing psychiatrists and psychologists failing miserably to apply it, I realized that trying to speak in a perfect manner is a fruitless endeavor. People just can't do it. The real issue is the psychology of the one who finds offense when they key in on a single word or phrase without considering simply overlooking what may or may not be offensive in an effort to seek peace in one's own life. That is why you haven't seen me going off on people in some time. (Being terse is a different matter.) I realized I was having as much of an inappropriate attitude as the people falsely accusing me. That's not to say "grow a thick skin", which is highly offensive, but simply that we each have the power to choose a different way of looking at things. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
May 5, 2014 - 3:33pm | As to the SFman, Larry was apparently looking for an editor. I volunteered for a couple of issues tonight. If I end up doing it, if you want me to put a statement in there, I will, but if you don't, I won't. (That's not why I volunteered. I volunteered because I love the SFman. It hits a real sweet spot in production.) I also talked to him about a new submission form on the new site. He intends to take care of that right away. So whether he uses me as editor or not, people will have a way to submit to the SFman. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
May 5, 2014 - 4:25pm | I've taken care of my responsibility in this matter. It will be up to the editors and owners of the SFman to do theirs. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
May 5, 2014 - 4:56pm | I'm not sure what that means. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
 May 5, 2014 - 9:45pm | Hi everyone! Just to set the record straight, the starfrontiersman isn't dead it's just on holiday. I have issue 25 ready (William had it done quite a while ago, actually) for release and am going to add Tom's crediting correction as erratta before releasing it. As for the change in the starfrontiersman.com site - it was purely due to a serious database corruption whose backup was too old to consider replacing it. I pointed it at the SF section of our DwD site as an interim solution until I can fix things properly... It's because of my relative inexperience with web design and database management - I learned from that and have changed my habits regarding backing up. Gonna rant a bit, in response to this thread and some others I've read and kept quiet about. And some hearsay... As to the comment about "Larry and Bill consider the SFman name to be proprietary" yes the name is considered a trademark, sure. Just as the Frontier Explorer name is trademarked by the great efforts of Tom & Tom. It's all fun and good - we all share the community's creations and we all play fun games together. Not sure why some folks try to make this all deeper than necessary. Larry and I love Star Frontiers, but our time to spend on it simply isn't what it once was, that's all. It's not some conspiracy or us turning our back on anyone or anything like that, despite what silly chatter I hear about me or Larry. When we had a lot more free time, we lovingly worked hard on the sfman. As time for that waned, so too did the results. It's funny when other people tell us they don't have time to do something we always have to accept it and in friendship tell them we understand - but when we are the ones who don't have time for something anymore people can't be as understanding. William did an absolutely FANTASTIC job getting us to #25 and we'll likely be looking for someone reliable to handle the primary job of taking care of this in the future. Before I can have time to do that, though, we have to fix the corrupted site. We'll eventually get that done, honest. 3. We wear sungoggles during the day. Not because the sun affects our
vision, but when you're cool like us the sun shines all the time. |
May 6, 2014 - 8:54am | Thanks for the share, Bill. "Reliable" <-Ouch!  (Actually, that's why I only committed myself to one or two issues if you use me. My focus would wane after that. Stupid ADHD and self-imposed stress.)View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
May 6, 2014 - 2:25pm | Thanks Bill for speaking up. I'm a bit tired of this thread. I was never hurt or offended. Tom feared he had hurt or offended me and spoke publicly to protect our friendship. I wish everyone would just move along. These are not the droids your looking for. I'd enjoy seeing the Star Frontiersman come back to regular syndication. Most don't imagine how much time and commitment go into a great magazine. They take on a life of their own and are a part of you. The more SF the community creates the stronger the revival. By the way, the article does credit me as a contributor to the material. I published the legend here on SF.US so that is an original source location for it with my name firmly attached. -iggy |
