 December 2, 2012 - 6:30pm | With the Zeb's Expansion we got a bunch of new planets and stars. Three of them are the sole property of megacorps. We had one to start on Hentz with the Family of One. Now PGC, Streel and CDC all have one. I am sure they went through all the proper channels to get the legal standing and rights for them. I am also sure they put out all the proper PR and advertising to get the people there. Everything would seem to be right and proper. But we know the real reasons they wanted those planets. First would be for the total security that they would provide. Second so they could raise generations of corporate citizens just like those on Hentz. Three as a final redoubt if the Sathar should come back and take down Spacefleet and Landfleet. So going with this and what we sorta know about these megacorps, what would life on them really be like? We have started some of this with Hentz but now we have three more directions to take it in. Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go? |
 December 2, 2012 - 7:22pm | 3 mega corp planets? Pan Gal, New Streel, and Devco? What about : Circe (Solar Minor) is a mega-corp planet that was colonized, along with the planet Kir-Kut, by SynthCorp for the purposes of experimenting with foodstuffs required by humans and vrusk. Ringar (Solar Major) is the mega-corp planet founded by Wartech Inc. for the purposes of expanding their production capabilities and establishing a secure and exclusive testing site. Ringar is very heavily guarded. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
December 2, 2012 - 7:35pm | Here is the problem with mega corp owned planets: if they own the planet they own the seat for that planet on the council of worlds. All a mega corp needs to do is establish enough planets, have them join the CoW and they take over the sector. Politicians and heads of state will see the danger in this and take steps to curb it. I addressed this in the timeline article I wrote and handled it with new legislation eventually got passed by the CoW concerning planet ownership and right of determination. The 5 mega corp planets got grand fathered in and allowed to remain in mega corp control, as well as two other planets that are under "colonial control" by other planets: Zik-kit which is a controlled mining colony of Terledrome and Cygnus Omicron IX -mentioned in Crash on Volturnus as having a police action adminstered by Pale which was why Pale was too busy to bother with exploring volturnus. What and where Cygnus Omicron IX is is up for debate, I've taken the position that its New Pale. Its original name was CO 9 and after the police action which occured simultaneous with food riots on Pale it was effectively conquored and is now a territory of Pale. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
 December 2, 2012 - 10:00pm | I think that Circe is a kind of basic habitat world that with proper terraforming could be turned into any desired core four habitat. The world is breathable and wet but the lifeforms, plant and animal, are very basic. However, on its' own it is not a world that individual colonists could successfully colonize. The adaptations needed for successful farming are too expensive for anything much smaller than a mega-corp to do. SynthCorp saw the opportunity to build dozens of core four habitats and corresponding experiment domes with equivalent habitats to develop food crops in. Now the difference with Circe and other mega-corp owned worlds is the open nature of their government and population. Circe is not as controlled and closed as other mega-corp worlds. Anyone can apply to immigrate to Circe. The government is elected by the citizens but there is a corporate house in the government structure to balance out the house of representatives. The corporate house is made up of top level corporate executives of SynthCorp that live on Circe. This is often compared to the government of Clarion with it's noble rulers. Due to this balance of corporate and populace power, Circe has remained focused on the needs of SynthCorp with strict environmental laws. The populace hold to the need to protect their golden goose and the corporation focuses on keeping a good image by treating the population well. Combined, SynthCorp and the Circe people view themselves as the bread basket of the frontier. -iggy |
December 3, 2012 - 4:59am | Thanks for the correction. Still shifting through alot of data and trying to figure all the megacorp angles. Love the Circe ideas. Will bring that into that write up. Please keep the ideas flowing. Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go? |
December 3, 2012 - 5:30am | Love the circe idea as well- not all of the mega corp planets need to be oppressive dystopias. No problem on the missing two planets took me awhile to register them as mega corp planets though with the new info on Circe it would seem to be a mega corp planet technically but perhaps skirts the letter of the law since it can claim self determination. There is a 6th mega corp planet that we left out, that just occured to me: Alcazar. The thing with Alcazzar is that the module doesn't portray much being their at the time of the module but after the module goes down it should become a regular destination. And we should extrapolate what that looks like a little. I think the general feeling will be that CDC does successfully defend its claim to the planet there is some unique features to the planet and its rotation that would seemingly make it piss all unsuitable for regular habitation. After all the native inhabitants are in a constant migration circum-navigating the globe to stay on the summer side so perhaps CDC only goes in for temporary mining outpost. Likely a science station will go in to study both the sapient primitives and the unusual planet- no doubt GODCo will want to study this planet. and Synthcorp will want to look into the natural anti-freeze that plants have developed here. My vote is that Alcazzar will likely remain Outpost level of habitation by the core 4 I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
December 3, 2012 - 2:31pm | The Zeb Timeline (something which has been giving me fits since I started to seriously look at it) mentions an almost corporate war between CDC and Streel over one of the moons of Alcazzar. Maybe not much on the planet but apparently something in the system which attracted the others attention. (Correct again if I am wrong) Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go? |
December 3, 2012 - 5:22pm | The Zeb Timeline (something which has been giving me fits since I started to seriously look at it) mentions an almost corporate war between CDC and Streel over one of the moons of Alcazzar. Maybe not much on the planet but apparently something in the system which attracted the others attention. (Correct again if I am wrong) Eastland stated that he wanted to move away from the canon timeline simply did his own such that many inconsistencies cropped up. I would re-interpret that statement as being the actual dust up in the Alcazzar module.Of course the moon could be just Alcazzar 2. No reason not to expand adventrue possibilities. Then both cannon and Zebs material are valid. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
December 4, 2012 - 5:08am | Oh the differences between the two timelines is not what is giving me fits. It is to be blunt the apparent complete lack of really thinking about things in it that is. This applies to quite a few things in Zeb's. My most glaring one is the final tally of deaths from the Blue Plague = 17 million. 4 planets evacuated and quarantined, 3 others suffer serious loss of life and probably others suffered some loss of life and this was over a multi-year time period. Let us all grieve. Florida has a population of 19 million. The President didn't need Florida to get reelected (since they didn't turn their vote in for 4 days). So either the Frontier is a group of really under populated planets talking total population less than the current US pop or someone plopped in a number they thought was big and really didn't think about it. OK sorry rant over. Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go? |
December 4, 2012 - 6:36am | @ Rattraveller good point- perhaps the casualties fo the plague would be a good thread for the plague world project. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
December 4, 2012 - 9:14am | back on track by its location alcazzar is not really good and has an outpost or at best light population with its use mainly as a training ground for cdc personnel and some resource development on the moon now circe has a good relationship between inhabitants and megacorp on the pg and streel worlds since both use others galactic and merco for security and fighting how much of a presencedo you think they have on those worlds and in the immediate space Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go? |
December 4, 2012 - 11:19am | Which position are you going with for Alcazzar? the one in the module or the one in Zebs? Oops did I just inspire another Zebs rant? I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
December 4, 2012 - 5:28pm | Zebs rant? Of course I will control myself and write about which position to take on Alcazzar. Let's see on p55 of Zebs it clearly states "96 f.y. Galactic Task Force and Merco fight the first post-SWII Corporate War over settlement rights on a moon orbiting Alcazzar in the Rihanna system. Hostilities quickly spread to include all seven of Alcazzar's moons and over half a dozen megacorps. The Corporate Wars begin in earnest." Quick shuffle to p50 of Zebs the Alcazzar entry "Blah blah blah heat and cold blah blah blah blah storms sweep Blah blah blah Only Wartech Inc. navigators know the star route to Rhianna. In through the nose out through the mouth; in through the nose out through the mouth That one statement shows TWO huge mistakes: 1) It disagrees with both the original module (which was CDC and Streel) and the timeline entry 5 more pages into the same book for not only how many but which megacorps are in Rhianna. 2) Every other entry uses astrogators not navigators. Guess they use sailing ships to get to Alcazzar. Every time I open Zebs I find more either blatant mistakes or entries written by someone who did not bother to check the background material. This book should only be used on a very limited basis. In fact you should really just... In through the nose out through the mouth; in through the nose out through the mouth. Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go? |
 December 4, 2012 - 6:08pm | Breath in ... Breath out.  That's exactly why we should compile Jedion's Guide to the Frontier instead and get all the issues fixed. Ad Astra Per Ardua! My blog - Expanding Frontier Webmaster - The Star Frontiers Network & this site Founding Editor - The Frontier Explorer Magazine Managing Editor - The Star Frontiersman Magazine |
