 November 14, 2010 - 5:48pm | I'm going by memory here, but if I recall correctly both Sathar Wars were depicted mostly as space wars. Has anyone thought about Landfleet's involvement in these wars, or has expanded the details of these wars to include information about any major battles fought planet side between the UPF and the worms. I'd love to find out if any material on this exists or if anyone has come up with ideas for what was happening on various worlds, while Sathar and UPF fleets clashed in space. "Hey guys I wonder what this does"-Famous last words "Hey guys, I think it's friendly." -Famous last words "You go on ahead, I'll catch up." -Famous last words "Did you here that?" -Famous last words |
 November 14, 2010 - 6:19pm | First off according to canon During SW1 The sathar attacked and ravaged Pale in Truane's Star system- if the canon doesn't specify the release of hordes of attack monsters on Pale then I assume that it happened and required mop up after the battles in space were finished. Dixon's Star was attacked on the way to Prengular system and IIRC the population of Laco's World plus the refugees from Pale suffered in that attack. SW1 was a two prong attack plan for the sathar with fleets moving from Truane's star to both Cassidine and Dixon's Star. Admiral Morgaine successfully defeated both fleets in detail with only one fleet at his disposal though he did give the last full measure of devotion to do so. the mop up opperations on Laco's world and Pale illustrated the need for Land Fleet. The recent emergence of PGC as the first mega corp supplying the equipment off the AD equipment list on its first government contract for equiping the ground forces would have played a significant role. Though in SW1 I would expect that the ground forces would have been largely an ad hoc affair and you would have even seen yazirian clan units as well. There are always problems in ad hoc commands and I generally interpret Morgaine's success as being linked to the strength and force of his personality. However, since you asked the question I would expect that the ground based mopping up operations would see highly motivated troops commanded by politically motivated and sometimes incompetent generals with in-fighting typically seen in the ACW (Amer Civil War) Maybe even some leaders angling for a cushy corporate job after the war. As for SW2, ZEbs guide has a ton of material for you though I dont think may people are fans of it. Its way too detail in some respects and has some Ideas that were not well executed. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
November 14, 2010 - 6:24pm | I'll have to look through the remastered versions I've gotten from here to refresh me memory, but has any one in the community expanded on the canon, to include details about other aspects of the wars, and the aftermath of these wars? "Hey guys I wonder what this does"-Famous last words "Hey guys, I think it's friendly." -Famous last words "You go on ahead, I'll catch up." -Famous last words "Did you here that?" -Famous last words |
November 14, 2010 - 6:41pm | I've always thought that a campaign surrounding the mop up operation on Pale or Laco's world would be cool. Number one the players can come from a variety of backgrounds and be an ad hoc military/para-military unit with little need for typical chain of command and rank structure which would work well in an RPG. 1 PC is local militia; 1 PC was a local cop, 1 PC was a security officer for a firm that doesn't exist anymore, 1 PC was crew on a downed civilian ship but isn't a total babe in the woods when it comes to handling a laser. Set up: Sathar have attacked and landed large numbers of forces and met with early success wiping out the initial organized resistence. large scale fleeing of refugees to Dixon's Star but not everyone was able to leave: lots of pockets of resistence and civilians trapped here and there and the Speaker of the Senate has inherited the Presidency and is trying to organize the resistence and save as much as possible. In space: an even large sathar fleet has arrived and no other refugees will get out to Dixon's star. The sathar are organizing their assets into 2 fleets for a 2 prong attack of the rest of the Frontier. PCs start in a partially wrecked city behind enemy lines. must survive encounters with wandering sathar patrols and attack monsters, obtain more weapons (from police stations, sporting goods stores, even from the sathar, etc.) rescue civilians, and escape and evade toward non sathar held territory. When in touch with the newly reorganized Pale government they are recruited as a unit for special operations due to their specialized knowledge of sathar territory, having just fought their way out. The team embarks on a series of raids into sathar territory (lots of possibilities there) leading up to them playing a significant role in a major battle (like in SF-2) by knocking out a supply depot, hiting a grouned space transport before more attack monsters can be unloaded, destroying a bridge to hinder the sathar advance or bottle up their units another adventure seed for this would be infiltrating deep to a detention camp to find out what they are doing to capture citizens. brings in the sathar esp angle and cybernetic manipulation of humans for slave horde formations to be thrown at the front line defences. After Morgaine wins the space war for the Frontier the sathar decide to pull back and pull out key personel but bring in weapons of mass destruction and the government finds out. thus the PCs get tapped for a boarding action of a sathar supply ship in orbit blow it up to prevent the WMDs from being used. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
 November 14, 2010 - 7:32pm | Imperial Lord has done some extensive work on the Sathar. However, I don't remember there being any discussion about land fleet or planet side warfare. |
November 14, 2010 - 8:42pm | That sounds like an awesome campaign Jedion specially because though it is centered on only one world in the Frontier it has a great deal of possibilities. Most Star Frontiers games usually have the characters hopping from one planet to the other, but bringing the scope down to one world, much like they did with the Volturnous trilogy can be just as much fun. I have always thought that the Sathar's use of bio engineering to create threats was one of the most fascinating aspects of that race, and perhaps they are the inheritors of the Ancient's technology and may have been artificially created for the purpose of pruning the galaxy of races that are not strong enough to survive. I also started thinking that it would be interesting if the Vrusk were actually the same race as the Clikks since someone mentioned that the Clikks were surposed to be similar to the Vrusk in appearance. What if the Vrusk were indeed the Clikks, and contacted the other races foreseeing the Sathar coming to the Frontier, and chose to influence the other races in an effort to stop their out of control tools. "Hey guys I wonder what this does"-Famous last words "Hey guys, I think it's friendly." -Famous last words "You go on ahead, I'll catch up." -Famous last words "Did you here that?" -Famous last words |
November 14, 2010 - 8:52pm | I also started thinking that it would be interesting if the Vrusk were actually the same race as the Clikks since someone mentioned that the Clikks were surposed to be similar to the Vrusk in appearance. What if the Vrusk were indeed the Clikks, and contacted the other races foreseeing the Sathar coming to the Frontier, and chose to influence the other races in an effort to stop their out of control tools. Well on that I'd say steal a page from Star Trek- Romulans/ Vulcans- they look a lot alike but there are diffences. Now you get another infiltrator angle a Clikk in vrusk society as opposed to the sathar infiltrator story. It would play different with the Clikk. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
November 15, 2010 - 11:05am | I've always found it facinating that the book mentions that the core races in the Frontier are not originally from there but may have come from beyond the great expanse (If I remember it right) which opens up many possibilities as to the hows and why's did the core 4 end up in the Frontier, and if it is some grand experiment, there should be a control element in place (like the Vrusk) making sure the experiment doesn't spin out of control. Of course if it's all a great cosmic joke, then maybe the Dralasites are the control element instead. "Hey guys I wonder what this does"-Famous last words "Hey guys, I think it's friendly." -Famous last words "You go on ahead, I'll catch up." -Famous last words "Did you here that?" -Famous last words |
