 January 12, 2009 - 10:54am | Does anyone know what the source or inspiration for these sci-fi characters was? 1. Borellian Nomen from the old Battlestar Galactica 2. Sontarans from the old Dr Who series (these guys took their military scout reports very seriously, had thick necks and a peculiar darting tongue mannerism) |
 February 8, 2009 - 9:26pm | Borellian Nomen sound like Vikings to me. |
 February 9, 2009 - 1:40am | Nomen are not very close to Norse at all... they are far closer to some of the jihaddist sects of muslims, or to the Dune Fremen with a superiority complex. Or perhaps the Jewish Zealots, or the Hashassin of the Caliphates. as for Dr. Who... I've never watched it with any attentiveness... I saw a few eps while in hospital in boot camp... and they made no sense at all... |
 February 9, 2009 - 2:20am | Sontarians=Germans(Jerries)in Space. "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
February 9, 2009 - 5:06am | I believe he's trying to say Space Nazis without saying Nazis... |
February 9, 2009 - 5:23pm | Give that man a cigar. But, you have to admit the uniforms(epsecially the parodied bucket helmets) and the mentality fit. Anyone has a different view, please, let's hear it. "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
February 9, 2009 - 11:11pm | Give that man a cigar. No thanks, I quit last march. |
 February 15, 2009 - 2:26pm | I believe he's trying to say Space Nazis without saying Nazis... Don't be silly aramis, every one knows the Principality of Zeon from Gundam are the space Nazis.  I don't expect to get a Sieg Zeon! out of this crowd. You should hear Gundam fans saying "Sieg Zeon!", it's a scary sight. Aren't the Daleks more like Nazis? Then again every one wants their sci-fi baddies to be like the Nazis. In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same. |
February 15, 2009 - 7:10pm | Sieg Zeon! Hey, given a choice between the Zekes and the Feddies, who would you pick, especially when the Feddies prove to be the worse of the two evils.... Also, the Zekes(after the American codename for the Mitsubishi AM6A Zero fightercraft)were Imperial Japan rebelling against the (perceived)imperialism of the United States(represented by the Feddies). As to Doctor Who's Nazis.... The answer is both the Daleks and Sontarians are like the Nazis. Blame two World Wars for coloring British perceptions. 'Sides, look at the Sontarian Special Space Service troopers(all those S's) from "Invasion Of Time," and you tell me. And not everyone wants their sci-fi baddies to be like the Nazis. Star Trek's originial series Klingons were the Space Commies, while their Romulans were the Romans gone out to their stars. Also, Battlestar Galactica's(as opposed to BS, gee) Cylons represented our fear of technology running amok(as well as what happens when Jimmy Carter talked peace talk to the godless Communist machine out for our blood). Finally, First Wave's Gua(no)were the physical embodiment of our own vices and how they can be used for our destruction, while Space: Above and Beyond's Chigs were just defending their homes from the "red-stink creatures" hellbent on their destruction(and vice-versa). "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
February 16, 2009 - 12:59pm | Will: nBSG, sure. oBSG, no; it's not about fear of tech (especially since the oBSG colonials and Cylons are roughy the same tech), but the effects of racism and xenophobia, and survival against all odds. They truly are VERY different IP's. |
February 16, 2009 - 4:25pm | But, Aramis, the Cylons became the Cylons because their creators allowed their machines to be so powerful that they wiped out their creators...that's what I meant about them personnifying our fear of tech. As I said, there was also some Cold War/anti-Carter propaganda thrown into the series pilot/movie as well. "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
February 16, 2009 - 7:36pm | You're talking the newer nBSG series, in the original the Cylons were created by another aliens race. Supposedly it was a long since died out or dieing repitilan alien race, the Imperious Leader might have been the last of his kind. So the oBSG Cylons did not kill their creator species off completely. I think only the novel for oBSG gave this details. And Will, Sieg Zeon! In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same. |
February 16, 2009 - 11:39pm | Apollo tells Boxy about the Cylons, while in the landram on Carrilon, in the episode Saga of a Star World. The Modern Cylons in oBSG are the remnants of the Cylon civilization, and the Lizards are dead, but they programmed them in their own image.... VERY different from nBSG, where cylons rebelled against Humans. It's revealed in the Marvel adaptation of Saga of a Star World that the Imperious Leader is an IL-series cylon, but wears the preserved hide of a "true cylon". I've just recently rewatched the entire oBSG series.  |
February 17, 2009 - 4:07pm | Thanks aramis, I knew it was something like that. the nBSG is a large diversion from the oBSG with that. I didn't realize the Imperious Leader was just a true cylon shell, a cyborg of sorts I guess. In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same. |
February 17, 2009 - 6:23pm | You're talking the newer nBSG series, in the original the Cylons were created by another aliens race. Supposedly it was a long since died out or dieing repitilan alien race, the Imperious Leader might have been the last of his kind. So the oBSG Cylons did not kill their creator species off completely. I think only the novel for oBSG gave this details. And Will, Sieg Zeon! Aramis is right, sargon, it was in "Saga Of A Star World" where Apollo and Boxy are sitting in the Land Ram travelling the surface of Carrillon, and Apollo relates the sad story of the originial reptillian Cylons, including their being overcome by their own creations. When Boxy asks if the same thing will ever happen to the Human race, in regards their own computers and machinery, Apollo says something to the effect that the Colonials never made their machines that artificially intelligent and never will, because of the what he implies happened with the Cylons. Sieg Zeon! ('Sides, everyone knows the Zeons had cooler uniforms(and ships) than the Feddies....  )"You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
February 17, 2009 - 6:26pm | Thanks aramis, I knew it was something like that. the nBSG is a large diversion from the oBSG with that. I didn't realize the Imperious Leader was just a true cylon shell, a cyborg of sorts I guess. But a very well-voiced shell(no one does evil bad guys and super spies like Patrick MacNee). "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
February 18, 2009 - 12:33am | Patrick MacNee voiced the Imperious Leader, and played Count Iblis (who is some form of demon, it seems). Chilling performances as both. |
February 18, 2009 - 2:15am | Basically, he was the old series' Satan..... "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
February 19, 2009 - 12:09pm | I believe he did the openning naration for the movie as well. "Life out here began out there." In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same. |
February 20, 2009 - 5:47pm | Indeed he did, Sargon. The voice is unmistakable. "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
February 27, 2009 - 9:19pm | Thanks for the input. I saw someone, in real life, with the same darting tongue mannerism and other behaviour that reminded me of the original Sontarans. That and some stuff that reminds me of Borelian Nomen. This "Sontaran type person" I saw was using ninjitsu pyschological tactics, so Sontarans may be broadening their methods. :) |
April 15, 2009 - 7:14pm | Another thought on the Sontaran tongue mannerism... There is an old Russian story involving Bashkir people who clicked their tongues. They lived in the area of the southern Ural mountains and surrounding plains. Could the tongue mannerism have something to do with Russia? I wonder how many cultures use tongue clicking or tongue darting. |
 April 16, 2009 - 12:10pm | There are African tribes, bushmen, who click their tongues for communication. View my profile for a list of articles I have written, am writing, will write. "It's yo' mama!" —Wicket W. Warrick, Star Wars Ep. VI: Return of the Jedi "That guy's wise." —Logray, Star Wars Ep.VI: Return of the Jedi Do You Wanna Date My Avatar? - Felicia Day (The Guild) |
 April 16, 2009 - 1:18pm | There are African tribes, bushmen, who click their tongues for communication. Think of Sontarran tounge flicking as more of a lizard or snake sticking out its tounge. They dont "click", looks like more of subconscious tick of sorts. Possilble a nervous twitch passed on from the original genetic doner. Time flies when your having rum. Im a government employee, I dont goof-off. I constructively abuse my time. |
 July 4, 2009 - 10:02pm | Concerning the Borellian Nomen: I had taken a class on the book of Genesis in college (chose the class because of who the professor was- he was an awesome teacher) Anyhow I remember that he spent like 20 minutes of one class talking about the connections between BSG and Genesis. What stands out in my memory is that Adama is like hebrew for Adam and the time period used in BSG "yaren" or something like that corresponed to the Hebrew for a similar time period (years I think) he further launched into a discussion of names derived from Greek and went into concepts represented by their meanings. It was all interesting but not testable material so I dont really remember much of it in detail just more of the jist. Anyhow I was thinking about the Nomen and I think that their origen is very simple: just put a space in the the name "No Men". I suspect that that professor could lecture a further 10 minutes on the rellavence of the Nomen. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
August 27, 2009 - 6:15pm | Nomen=Nomads. Possibly a reference to the Touraeg or the Bedouin. "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
