 April 4, 2008 - 8:28am | This is a message for Corjay as I’m sure he will visit the site at some point. I’m not annoyed at what he’s just done, but really disappointed. Did he feel that the whole community was against him? Only one person was aggrieved by his comments ( the other asked him to check his manner). What is so wrong with a bit of humility? If someone has attacked you so venomously, please don’t just go all defensive and react the way you did. Really look into why it was said; there’s a reason. Just because you may have done the majority of work on these projects, what gave you the right to delete? You still had interaction with many members on a lot of the subjects, making it a collaborative effort. That is not fair on this community. This is a hobby; it’s supposed to be enjoyable. Please respect this hobby as I and others do. |
 April 4, 2008 - 9:37am | Hopefully he comes back but he may not (I hope I'm wrong as he has contributed much). Something similar happened on the starfrontiers.org forums (although that exchange was a bit more venomous on both sides) and he said good-bye and never returned, jumping to this site. Had he returned he would have seen that the others in the converstation actually asked him to stay as well. At least on sf.org he posted a farewell, which was more than he did here. There also wasn't any content to take down as there were just forums. Here he just vanished. And if we want, it should be possible for CleanCutRogue to restore the content, at least as much as was there at his last backup. Ad Astra Per Ardua! My blog - Expanding Frontier Webmaster - The Star Frontiers Network & this site Founding Editor - The Frontier Explorer Magazine Managing Editor - The Star Frontiersman Magazine |
 April 4, 2008 - 9:45am | I didn't do all that because of Corvus. He already has a massive head, he doesn't need it inflated larger. The extent of everyone's contributions are in the forums. I forgot that Bill created the Cybernetics Handbook that I renamed Beta Dawn. I will excise his contributions to that project and return them to him gladly. Trying to get help from the "community" has been like pulling teeth. My problem is that there is no room around here for my TYPE of ego. You are very right. This is just a hobby, and "it's supposed to be enjoyable". But it's not enjoyable for me or anyone else around here. Because apparently I'm the only ego around here willing to deflate enough to work with others. But then I guess I don't play well with others, apparently. I'm finding a new hobby that I won't have to work with others. I'm taking my crap (against my own words, if I remember correctly), because this community doesn't deserve my efforts. I left all my projects that were not in books to the people I thought most appropriate for those projects. Apparently everybody that leaves is my fault. Don't you think that it's better to get rid of the cancer than to die a slow death? Well, I'm leaving. Feel how you want to, but no one's more pissed than I am. This isn't just about ego. I'm tired of having to swallow my pride every damn day that I come in here. I get accused, accused, and accused and there's not a single damn thing people can bring against me as evidence, but that doesn't matter. As long as somebody thinks it, it's true. I'M THE EVIL IN THIS GROUP. I'm the one who attacks everyone. I'm the one who goes around cussing up a storm. I'm the one who gets pissed off at the drop of a hat. I'm the one who drinks blood and eats crap. ME. ME. ME. ME. ME. Someone urked you? Oh look, there's Corjay! A group of people opposing your idea? Oh look, Corjay's in that group! You don't like an idea? Oh look, it's Corjay's! You think a group's idea is bad? Oh look, there's Corjay! I'll tell you why I'm at the fore of all these problems. I'm the one getting out there and doing crap, so OF COURSE I'm the one who gets blamed for everyone else's crap, because I'm the visible one. I'm tired of it. I'm moving on. Who is everone going to blame for my leaving? Like your message says: me. That's WHY I'm leaving. No one's going to miss any of my projects, and if they do, it will only give me satisfaction enough to say: "You see what you're going to miss"? I wish you all the best of this thing you got going. When I'm gone, maybe people will come out of the woodwork. I'm taking my hike. I don't stay just because I'm asked. I leave because the cost outweighs the benefit. |
 April 4, 2008 - 9:49am | um... all I did was ask him to please be aware of his tone... I didn't ban him or anything. In fact, I think I was very polite and nice to Corjay and frankly I'm surprised to see that he has done what he has. I hope he returns as well. 3. We wear sungoggles during the day. Not because the sun affects our
vision, but when you're cool like us the sun shines all the time. |
 April 4, 2008 - 9:57am | Wow, this is one bizarre situation. In our discussions about Dralasite Lie Detection, did I ever accuse you of being evil, etc.? I thought that was a mature, rewarding discourse... Maybe I have not been on top of the forums enough and read the responses to all of your posts and projects, but it seems to me you are being hyper-sensitive. But, if you really feel this persecuted, then maybe you need to step off... In any case, from my narrow view, I enjoyed working with you and wish you all the best. |
April 4, 2008 - 10:04am | I didn't say everyone, Impy. You are right, that was a good discourse. But every time there's a blowup, I'm the one someone's blowing up at 99% of the time, and then I'm the one who gets repremanded even though I didn't do a anything to cause it except be the visible one. Bill, I won't be coming back. I'm answering this thread. When I felt all questions are asked and answered, I won't be returning. This isn't some attention-getting measure. This is me leaving. |
April 4, 2008 - 10:11am | Corjay, From your comments above, I would advise you to get some profesional advice. You are taking things way out of context and too seriously. Get a life, and i mean that in the nicest way possible. You need to balance your lifestyle, or you'll go crazy at this rate. I know - i went through a similar process a number of years back. Noone thinks your evil; this is how you interpret everyone else sees you - IMO a sign of depression. I wish you all the best. Good luck. |
April 4, 2008 - 10:18am | That may be. I feel fine, except for when I get on this site. Unfortunately, my circumstances are such that it is next to impossible for me to get a life at this time. I have my art and my writing. It's all I can do right now. Depression or not, my time with this site is passed. As for my taking my projects, if anyone had actually been interested in them enough to contribute, I would have left them. Imperial Lord, even though I took the material that the Dralasite and Vrusk discussions resulted in, the forum posts are still there. What few things that were contributed (save for Bill's paragraphs in Beta Dawn) are in the forums. |
April 4, 2008 - 10:39am | I have to make a correction. I may not have said "everyone", but I did say "I'm the only one". I meant that I am the only one in among those mixed in with the turmoil that seems to be willing to work with others in a peaceful manner. I'm not the one spouting accusations. I'm the accused. If there's an accusation, you can be sure that its me being accused. Persecution complexes arise because a person is getting persecuted. When someone else needed to be repremanded in private, I got repremanded in public, drowning out what little repremand, if any, there was for the real troublemaker. I didn't get particularly repremanded for anything I did in that thread. I got reminded that I often stir up trouble in many previous situations. It was even pointed out to me that I always have an excuse. HELL YES, I have an excuse, because I'm defending myself. That's the nature of an excuse. It is the providing of EVIDENCE that I am innocent. Regardless of evidence, I'm still always declared guilty. This type of thing isn't an isolated event. |
April 4, 2008 - 10:38am | It's true I didn't repremand Corvus other than him being included in the general content of my post. I did, however, specifically reprimand you. I was wrong in that part - I should also have reprimanded Corvus for his argumentative tone. I was heavily focused at that time on stating my desire to have you self-edit, and I neglected to specify Corvus in my public reprimand. His post was too severe. Anyway - it seems obvious that you're not going to have a change of heart. I wish you the best, but would prefer a cleaner sever and am disabling your account. I can't stop you from creating a new one, and I'm not going to get severe and ban your IP or anything - I'm not full of spite here, just trying to keep the entire site from being dragged into this. I wish you the best and honestly think you over-reacted. Have a nice life. 3. We wear sungoggles during the day. Not because the sun affects our
vision, but when you're cool like us the sun shines all the time. |
April 4, 2008 - 10:39am | Well, if you want to leave, that's your perogative. If you do, farewell, good luck and I, at least, wish you the best. You will be missed. As Imperial Lord has said, there have been some good discussions that you've been part of. As you said, you are doing a lot of things and getting help is hard. And since you do have a bunch of irons in the fire, more than anyone, you are going to get a larger number of people disagreeing with you. But you also have more people liking what you do as well. You ask for feedback and comments. Some of them are going to be negative, it just comes with the territory. And remember, people like to vent, so for every negative response there are probably ten people out there who like the idea and just don't say anything. The really hard part is getting those people to chime in, even with a "Great idea, I like it" comment. We don't always agree with the the things people suggest and that's fine, just don't take it personally. They just have a different viewpoint. And sometimes after reflection we see that it wasn't a bad idea after all. I resisted your idea of a cancel button on my game set-up at first (In fact, I diagreed violently, but off-line), but in the end I agreed with you and implemented it. It was a lot harder to do than I thought it would be but I learned quite a bit in the process. So thanks. I've never seen any of the accusations you claim are out there. Again, I haven't read all the forum posts but I have read everything that has been active in the last few months since I joined this site and I don't get that sense at all (maybe I'm not a member of the right projects). As CCR indicated, there have been times when the tone of posts on both sides have gotten a little heated or sharp and people have been asked to cool off a bit and keep it civil. And it hasn't just been you. Again, if you really want to leave, that is your choice. Good Luck. Ad Astra Per Ardua! My blog - Expanding Frontier Webmaster - The Star Frontiers Network & this site Founding Editor - The Frontier Explorer Magazine Managing Editor - The Star Frontiersman Magazine |
