Great Show if Anybody has seen it

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Gergmaster
February 28, 2008 - 6:31pm
Stargate Atlantis is a pretty good hard sci-fi/military sci-fi show. Personally I just started watching it again after two years of not watching. Got the first few seasons and have seen the rest. It actually got a People's Choice Award this year beating Dr. Who and Battlestar Galactica. My favorite is the wraither who I am thinking about making up a segement about in the Star Frontiersman.
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Sam
February 29, 2008 - 7:54am
I really liked the early seasons of Stargate SG-1. What ruined the show for me was the unimpressed attitude they seemed to have when discussing intergalactic (or galaxy spanning travel in ships of the Ancients) in a matter of days or the other extremely advanced technological things (*which further highlighted how the show's writers really didn't fully grasp the enormity of the galaxy and the vast distances involved).

"We can travel accross the galaxy to the [goobers] homeworld. We'll be there in three days."

What the heck...

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Gergmaster
February 29, 2008 - 11:09am
Yeah I know.
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Gilbert
February 29, 2008 - 4:48pm
 I have watched Star Gate since day one. And, the travel times are relative to where "across the galaxy" to nothing as a distance and was used loosely for a distance at that. I really don't want to explain this. But, the terminology you are referring to doesn't mean anything to time for the actual distance wasn't given. "Across the galaxy in three days" is a term like "be home in a week" in heavy traffic. If you are in a city on the west coast and hit heavy traffic all the way to the west coast. Ok, I could believe you. Anyway, it's a good show, filled with drama. haha. Please, don't razz something until you have actually read up on the theories that are behind it.

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Gergmaster
February 29, 2008 - 6:05pm

Wow I am not the only nerd in this joint.....

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Gilbert
February 29, 2008 - 9:57pm
  That's geek to you buddy. And, don't you forget it. I just love the high tech nerdy stuff.

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Sam
February 29, 2008 - 11:27pm
Well, I am razzing it. ;)

I am familiar with at least some of the theories, as I'm sure many sci-fi buffs are, and my astronomy background may in fact give me a bit more of a grounding. But when you compare a realistic drive which could possibly travel a mere two light years with a travel time estimated, what, 50 years, 20 years to the show, which not only conducts interstellar travel via starship in mere days, but also the distance (in light years) between these worlds is measured in tens or hundreds, thousands or even ten thousands (or further), it is really is reaching. And then when the characters of the show don't seem to care just how unbelievable that really is, it just loses credibility with me. Sorry.

Traveling through the stargate network was one thing. Controlled wormholes, yeah, got it. Have to have stargates to enter and exit. Okay. But actually having ships that could make the journey anywhere in such short amounts of time and being relatively unphased by it, like you were just taking a spin around the block ... .

It was and is a great show, but for me it just lost what credibility it had -- once you start routinely leaving the galaxy that does it for me. 

I'd be happy to catch up on any theories you'd care to throw out. I generally try to keep up on most things, but perhaps there is something new that you'd like to share...

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Gergmaster
February 29, 2008 - 11:28pm
Sam wrote:
Well, I am razzing it. ;)

I am familiar with at least some of the theories, as I'm sure many sci-fi buffs are, and my astronomy background may in fact give me a bit more of a grounding. But when you compare a realistic drive which could possible travel a mere two light years with a travel time estimated, what, 50 years, 20 years to the show, which not only conducts interstellar travel via starship in mere days, but also the distance (in light years) between these worlds is measured in tens or hundreds, thousands or even ten thousands (or further), it is really is reaching. And then when the characters of the show don't seem to care just how unbelievable that really is, it just loses credibility with me. Sorry.

Traveling through the stargate network was one thing. Controlled wormholes, yeah, got it. Have to have stargates to enter and exit. Okay. But actually having ships that could make the journey anywhere in such short amounts of time and being relatively unphased by it, like you were just taking a spin around the block ... .

It was and is a great show, but for me it just lost what credibility it had -- once you start routinely leaving the galaxy that does it for me. 

I'd be happy to catch up on any theories you'd care to throw out. I generally try to keep up on most things, but perhaps there is something new that you'd like to share...


The one problem about sci-fi is that it doesnt use Einstein's Theory of Relativity. This is the E=MC(squared) and ligth travel is impossible because if you going the speed of light you actually turn into energy in order to go that fast. But it also says going the speed of light or faster you actually experience no real time. But, those you know will have been long and dead because 1 million years goes by in the relative universe. This is due to the time dialation. But who cares we all play Star Frontiers and have fun. Yeah it's kindof cut in details here and there but what sci-fi material isnt.
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     Man with one chopstick go hungry.
     Man who eat many prunes get good run for money.
     Man who live in glass house should change clothes in basement.

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Sam
March 1, 2008 - 9:33am
I totally agree ... most interstellar sci-fi cuts out relativity and explains star travel through the alternate universe (warp, void, etc ...) or super-physics drives. That's all good and part of the reason why I love sci-fi and Star Frontiers. Like I said, the show itself is still a fun watch. And with any luck somehow we'll actually be able to create such a drive.

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Gilbert
March 1, 2008 - 1:06pm
  The same thing was said about breaking the sound barrier. But, did you know about the compression barrier? I don't really want to say more about the theories that are out there on relativistic space travel. I do not want to start bad info about something I don't fully understand myself. I have tried to get more info on these new theories but the information isn't available as of yet.

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Gilbert
March 1, 2008 - 1:07pm

  OOPS, darn double clicking.


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Sargonarhes
March 2, 2008 - 2:40pm
Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis are ok I guess. Sure they like all other sci-fi ignores many physics to get it's plot devices to work, but I was never big on physics anyways. But I think Babylon 5 spoiled me for sci-fi as I liked the continually developing plot.

No one in sci-fi uses inertialess drives any more. :(
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Will
March 2, 2008 - 3:48pm

Between "Meridian," and whennever they brought Daniel Jackson back as an Ancient was when I stopped caring about the show.

Not because of any creditbility in re science...it was more fundamental than that, especially when, first Parker Lewis Can't Lose, then the crew from Farscape made their appearances in the place of characters I came to like.

I just didn't think the later eps were well-written.

SG:Atlantis started out weak and improved considerably when Amanda Tapping took command, IMO. 

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parriah
March 5, 2008 - 2:20pm
As far as I know the show was always great, but I never watched it until Claudia Black joined the crew. I'm sorry they replaced your favs, but iots a personal taste thing.

BTW glad to be here now.:)
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Corjay (not verified)
March 5, 2008 - 2:42pm
Welcome parriah. Glad to see you here. Smile

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Will
March 10, 2008 - 9:07am
parriah wrote:
As far as I know the show was always great, but I never watched it until Claudia Black joined the crew. I'm sorry they replaced your favs, but iots a personal taste thing.

BTW glad to be here now.:)


Wondered when you'd find your way here.

It's more than a personal taste thing...I prolly could've handled Browder and Black better if they had had half-decent material to work with, and it still smacks of SFC throwing Farscape fans a bone after the way they ended the series(before the Peacekeeper Wars movies).

Then again, it probably is a personal taste thing....

"You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so."


—Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation