elpotof January 17, 2008 - 8:44am | I've been looking over the introduced species from Alternity, namely the Weren, and I like them. I like the fact they're big furry buggers who are passionate, and wear their hearts on their sleeves. I like that they are ferocious beasties who can rival chewie in a 'tussle'. What puzzles me is their reluctance to use more sophisticated weaponry than a black powdered musket. If these guys go to war, they're going to become extinct real soon. Imagine the following: A party get involved in a firefight, gunfire erupting all over the area. BOOM! goes the weren's gun. The enemy now know that the weren is out of ammo ( remember, only one shot) and to reload, needs to stand still to carry this operation out. The enemy are not dumb, and will use this time to out manoeuvre the PC ( well, i would!) and zap him. The other option is for the weren to close the distance for close combat - zap,zap,zap,zap... need i go on. Maybe an option for a multiple loading weapon in the style of an ancient weapon would sit well with the weren? A good salesman might do wonders too. A wee random thought to get people thinking. |
w00t (not verified) January 17, 2008 - 9:20am | I re-read the Star Frontiersman Issue 7 pg. 12 and it appears weren are very very happy with their current technology. I'm sure some have ventured to pick up a Yazirian laser rifle and give it a whirl! Remember, weren are highly intelligent and have come up against higher-technology so I would think they have tactics were not aware of. Maybe Corvus could pop in an comment since he contributed the article. |
CleanCutRogue January 17, 2008 - 8:13pm | The Alternity races seem to fit right in with the Frontier, in my opinion. They really do seem to belong. The fact that the Weren are a bit primitive (by choice, not by ignorance) doesn't mean they aren't smart. They'll form formations so they can fire at their enemies in succession. They'll have additional support personnel devoted to reloading weapons so the sharpshooters can spend their time doing what they do best. They have powdered charges, but a rate of fire of once per turn (meaning they can reload in a single turn! Obviously they're either quite good at packing powder, or they have weapons that take prepared charges to make reload more rapid). Let's not forget they would also embrace certain other technologies once encountered. Clever Weren might find shotguns unoffensive. Some might even enjoy frag grenades (or at least have powder-charge grenades that would do at least 6d10 damage). I do agree that their weapons are inferior. But so do they. Since they are not penalized for INT/LOG, then their cultural love of their more primitive weaponry is a tradition choice rather than a lack of mental capacity to learn. In my opinion, there might be some members of the race who are less traditional and more practical, using whatever weapons are at hand that suits their needs. Let's not forget Chewbacca (sp?) was most skilled at a "bowcaster" (basically a crossbow) like the rest of his species, though he seemed ot have little trouble picking up a blaster rifle and even piloting an Imperial Walker. He was co-pilot of the 'Falcon... and though he had a bit of trouble re-assembling C3-P0, he wasn't exactly a techno-phope, despite being raised in a jungle world with crossbows. 3. We wear sungoggles during the day. Not because the sun affects our
vision, but when you're cool like us the sun shines all the time. |
Rum Rogue January 17, 2008 - 9:21pm | Shack beat me to it, I was going to mention that I see the Weren enjoying the grenades as well. A grenade is such "basic" tech, no matter what its effect is. You have my imagination going now, I can imagine a couple squads of Weren using Victorian-era tactics similar to the Royal Army. One squad fires as the other reloads, can keep a wall of fire flying that way. Suddenly the movie Zulu comes to mind. Time flies when your having rum. Im a government employee, I dont goof-off. I constructively abuse my time. |
Corvus January 17, 2008 - 10:23pm | Rogue makes a lot of good points. I will also point out that if you use weapons which require reloading after a single shot, you adapt your tactics to take that into account. A weren's Camoflage ability goes a long way toward helping with that, and a weren might even carry several weapons at once, just in case. Also, consider that weren might prefer tactics of using up their ranged shots and then closing to melee combat, where they have a distinct advantage due to their great strength. Also, note that weren black powder weapons do severe damage, often enough to fell an "average" foe in a single blast. Weren prefer power over speed in most cases. I believe the weapons detailed in the article mention that they require at least one action/round to reload, so I don't think they can reload and fire in the same turn -- the rate of "1" means "only one use in a round in which it is already loaded" to me. If not, I should have made that more clear. There's a minimum of time you can take reloading a black powder weapon, due to the need for caution. If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe. -- Carl Sagan |
elpotof January 18, 2008 - 7:27am | Thanks for all the comments. As I said in the beginning, I think the Weren are an excellent race to introduce to the Star Frontiers universe, they certainly have a place here. There have been a lot of excellent suggestions regarding alternate weaponry ( grenades; never crossed my mind ). Tactics too, would heavily influence their use of black powdered weapons - could this have a bearing on the Delta Dawn project with logistics, etc? Also, would there be an underclass carrying out the reloading of weapons for the Weren warriors? I can't see too many of them being enthusiastic with the role of being a loader over time. |
w00t (not verified) January 18, 2008 - 7:50am | I use black-powder weapons myself, namely muskets / muzzle-loaders. I keep several "ready rounds" in my bag along with my powder, shot, caps and patch. Ready rounds (as I call them, most call them "speed loaders") are for convenience and really don't add to much speed to reloading. If I need to take more than one shot in a six second period I would simply carry two muzzies, or have someone behind me reloading while I 'take the shot'. Does this make me have weren blood? :-D |
Rum Rogue January 18, 2008 - 8:30am | From reading the information about the Weren, I get the impression that their tech base will change, they would just prefer to discover and make changes on their own rather than adopting someone else's tech. Time flies when your having rum. Im a government employee, I dont goof-off. I constructively abuse my time. |
Rum Rogue January 18, 2008 - 8:34am | I use black-powder weapons myself, namely muskets / muzzle-loaders. I keep several "ready rounds" in my bag along with my powder, shot, caps and patch. Ready rounds (as I call them, most call them "speed loaders") are for convenience and really don't add to much speed to reloading. If I need to take more than one shot in a six second period I would simply carry two muzzies, or have someone behind me reloading while I 'take the shot'. Does this make me have weren blood? :-D Muzzle-loaders are so much fun!! When I was shooting regularly, my buddy timed me and said I was getting 3-4 shots a minute. That was using loose powder, had to measure out each load. That was a fun 3 minutes!! Time flies when your having rum. Im a government employee, I dont goof-off. I constructively abuse my time. |
Gilbert January 18, 2008 - 3:40pm | Professional soldiers of the time around the Napoleonic wars could get 7 to 9 shots a minute, though it was rare about 1 out of 1000 could do it. It was more prevalent amongst the Brits. It was just the pure stubbornness they possessed to not just give up. That roots down into the Romans attempt to conquer them, but that's a different story. They couldn't afford to have 6 or 7 people loading the guns. You didn't see that unless they were not professional soldiers trying to keep up or faced pros. And, still with little practice you should be able to get 5 to 7 off on your own. Be sure to practice at-least 500 rounds to be comfortable, if you never shot one before. All it takes is one bad load that is hot to put you in the hospital. I did not learn the hard way. I enlisted a pro to teach me. |
bossmoss September 30, 2012 - 9:41pm | I agree that the Alternity species seem well suited to the Star Frontiers setting. In my campaign, I placed them off the map (pretty far off, actually), but they are there. When the players get that far, they'll bump into them. |
jedion357 October 1, 2012 - 4:14am | Having read through this, I have a couple of thoughts: if you did add the weren to sf you should have a timeline for technical change. If the weren simply like to discover technical changes on their own and institute them on their own terms then when the PCs first meet them they would use mussel loaders in a few years they will have discovered breach loaders, and etc. Dont forget other tech- like the fact that at the same time mussle loading rifles were in common use canvas covered in vulcanized rubber we being introduce in the union army as rain coats and ground clothe. You just dont think of that technological innovation being part of the period because Hllywood never shows it and many of the units raised by the individual states never got the item because of budgetary issues. I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers! |
OnceFarOff October 1, 2012 - 10:30am | In my campaign, I placed them off the map (pretty far off, actually), but they are there. When the players get that far, they'll bump into them. I plan to do the same. I am developing at least 8 other sectors the same size as the frontier in a circle around it. I plan on putting the Alternity races in some of that space, and some other races as well. I think when it's time for the Weren in my campaign, I will use a break action type of weapon that uses shot shell type ammo. I think it's generally in the spirit, without the penalizing limitations. I also expect they would use them as a 'short range, while closing to melee' type attack. |