 November 18, 2007 - 5:57pm | This has been requested before. Doesn't seem like they can do this... but you can sort of do this by reading new messages directly from the forum and clicking on the "New" link under the Replies column. That will take you to the new messages past page 1. I think it would be good if the link from the "What's New" list was similarly linked though. Currently, it just takes you to the first page of the topic. |
 November 18, 2007 - 6:01pm | I can see Bill's tombstone now. Bill Logan 1973-2007 Loving husband and father Died too young when his head exploded from getting the 112th request for the ability to go to the newest post on his website. Actually, this request is a little different. This one's asking for a link, which can be done, I believe. |
November 18, 2007 - 6:05pm | Well, the thing is, there is obviously some record and link available that goes directly to the new messages which are usually on the last page of the thread. The strange thing is that access to that mechanic is only from within the forum and not from "What's New." |
 November 18, 2007 - 6:25pm | It doesn't work from anywhere! Doesn't work from the forums either, as far as I know Full Bleed. Providing a link won't work either - because I don't know how it will page at the time of generating the link - it's just not currently possible to provide :( I have spent days on this issue and just can't get it. :( !! 3. We wear sungoggles during the day. Not because the sun affects our
vision, but when you're cool like us the sun shines all the time. |
November 18, 2007 - 6:51pm | I'm nowhere near your level of programming, but being a good out of the box thinker, there's no telling what could pop out of my head at any time. Could you post the code you're dealing with, and then we can generate ideas from that? |
November 18, 2007 - 6:47pm | Also, what's the code that makes the new message link appear on the forums page? |
 November 18, 2007 - 7:00pm | It doesn't work from anywhere! Doesn't work from the forums either, as far as I know Full Bleed. Providing a link won't work either - because I don't know how it will page at the time of generating the link - it's just not currently possible to provide :( I have spent days on this issue and just can't get it. :( !! Any way to add a '(last)' link or something to the list, and have a fixed 'page' per node that will do the actual page calculations and redirect to the last page? For example, 'http://starfrontiers.us/node/1216?page=lastPage' or somehing to that effect. Or use a function, such as lastPage() or node.1216.lastPage() in the URL? Just some random thoughts... |
November 18, 2007 - 7:09pm | Also, what's the code that makes the new message link appear on the forums page? Oh, you can click on the 'new' ? |
November 18, 2007 - 7:26pm | Yes, and it takes you to the latest unread posts in the thread. It adds "#new" to the end of the link. |
November 18, 2007 - 7:36pm | EDIT: You go to the latest post when you click the "new" link on the thread's line in the forum itself. |
November 18, 2007 - 10:18pm | Doesn't work from the forums either, as far as I know Full Bleed. Well, when I'm actually in a forum (i.e. http://starfrontiers.us/forum/52) when you use the "new" link under the "Replies" column it will skip to the new messages (even if they are on other pages.) So the forum records exactly which replies are new, not just that there is new activity. And it does know how to skip directly to the new replies if its at the end of a long thread (or in the middle of one for that matter.) This is decidedly different from using the "What's New" list to navigate to areas where there is new activity... because when you navigate through "What's New" it always takes you to the first page of a forum post, not directly to the new responses (as you can from within the forum.) So, the mechanic is there. It's just only accessible from one place. |
November 18, 2007 - 10:17pm | EDIT: You go to the latest post when you click the "new" link on the thread's line in the forum itself. Hmmm... So you're saying that it only sends you to the end of the post? I can't test this right now since I don't have a bunch of new threads to explore, but I was pretty sure that it took me to the beginning of the new activity in a long thread, not just to the last post. |
November 18, 2007 - 11:06pm | I'm not going to post the code Corjay - sorry. It's not like it's a few functions or even a few pages of code - it's literally integrated into the heart of the code. I was not aware that clicking on the "new" link worked - last time I tested it it did NOT work unless that new post was on the first page. I also can't test this right now, sadly. If this issue is really bothering everyone - I'll take the site down for a few days and work on nothing but it. I'll try to see what I can figure out... 3. We wear sungoggles during the day. Not because the sun affects our
vision, but when you're cool like us the sun shines all the time. |
November 18, 2007 - 11:13pm | Okay - I was able to test. I changed my comment settings to show oldest first, and only to show 10 comments per page. Then I went to Game Talk in the General Forum and clicked on a "2 New" link and it failed to take me to the new comment - which was incidentally on page 6 of that forum. Instead it took me only to the first page. That's sad because when Corjay said it worked I got excited that code existed somewhere that could somehow do it... but it seems that's not the case. If someone can find a place where it works, I'll be surprised but elated. I'll try working on this some more though 3. We wear sungoggles during the day. Not because the sun affects our
vision, but when you're cool like us the sun shines all the time. |
November 19, 2007 - 12:49am | Alrighty... I figured out a goofy hacked way to do it. It's not all fully implemented yet, but at least clicking on the "# new" links takes you to the right page. Please test? 3. We wear sungoggles during the day. Not because the sun affects our
vision, but when you're cool like us the sun shines all the time. |
November 19, 2007 - 12:50am | I can see Bill's tombstone now. FYI - I was born in 1971 ;)Bill Logan 1973-2007 Loving husband and father Died too young when his head exploded from getting the 112th request for the ability to go to the newest post on his website. Actually, this request is a little different. This one's asking for a link, which can be done, I believe. 3. We wear sungoggles during the day. Not because the sun affects our
vision, but when you're cool like us the sun shines all the time. |
November 19, 2007 - 8:01am | You young wipper-snapper.. ;-) I clicked to this thread from "What's New", so no 'New' button (as expected at this time.) Nothing in 'My Activities' is 'New', so I can't test just yet, and heading to work soon. Thanks for putting in the work on this. |
November 19, 2007 - 8:05am | I can see Bill's tombstone now. FYI - I was born in 1971 ;)Bill Logan 1973-2007 Loving husband and father Died too young when his head exploded from getting the 112th request for the ability to go to the newest post on his website. Actually, this request is a little different. This one's asking for a link, which can be done, I believe. 
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November 19, 2007 - 8:19am | I setup 10 posts per page. From 'My Activities', I clicked on 'New' (thanks for posting Corjay), and it took me to page 1.... Had to the click myself on '2'. :-( |
November 19, 2007 - 8:56am | I'd need to create a dummy account to really bring anything to this testing... but something seems wonky to me here. I'm trying to figure out why/how I noticed a "difference" between the behavior between the "new" links on the front page (Newest Topics), What's New, and from within the forum itself if there was no difference? Not saying I couldn't have made a mistake, but that would be an odd mistake to make... especially when I noticed pretty quickly that the way Newest Topics and What's New worked wasn't optimal. Then there is the issue that within the forums, on the threads themselves, is the only place that the exact number of new replies is noted (as opposed to just acknowledging new material.) So how is it that the software specifically know which replies to count as new, but does not have the ability to link to them? Very strange. I surmise that there might be a small tear in the fabric of reality, time, and space. ;) |
November 19, 2007 - 8:57am | I tested it (I forgot to redo my post alignment to oldest post first before) and it works fine on both Firefox2 and IE7. It takes me to the first unread post as it should. However, I think there's a problem if it doesn't work for newest post first alignment. Since you have the programming working for the links, is there no way to get it to work for when you have posted something new? It just seems like all you need to do is add "#new" to the forwarding address. I just wish I could understand you on why that doesn't work, but I'll only frustrate you if I go into it any further. |
November 19, 2007 - 9:06am | I tested it (I forgot to redo my post alignment to oldest post first before) and it works fine on both Firefox2 and IE7. It takes me to the first unread post as it should. However, I think there's a problem if it doesn't work for newest post first alignment. Ok, maybe we're getting somewhere here... I've always had older posts first... so getting to the new posts almost always required a jump to messages at or near the end of a stack. This was very noticeable. (Aside: Where do we set the # of posts per page and order of posts? I did a quick look and didn't see the setting.) I'm guessing that the issue isn't as noticeable in the "newest post first" alignment, because unless there are more new posts than the first page holds, you're always going to be starting on the first page. Not as cool as being sent directly to the first unread response, but not as bad as being sent to the entirely wrong page and having to navigate out to the new activity. |
November 19, 2007 - 10:32am | (Aside: Where do we set the # of posts per page and order of posts? I did a quick look and didn't see the setting.) Under the first post, before the second post, is where it is for me.... |
November 19, 2007 - 5:17pm | Under the first post, before the second post, is where it is for me.... Doh... hiding in plain sight! ;) Kind of another example of having too much information on the screen at one time. Guess I'm just used to having that setting info in a more obscure area. Must... adapt... |
November 19, 2007 - 5:35pm | Under the first post, before the second post, is where it is for me.... Doh... hiding in plain sight! ;) Kind of another example of having too much information on the screen at one time. Guess I'm just used to having that setting info in a more obscure area. Must... adapt... adapt. ask questions. get answer. browse. create. have fun. :-) I almost get the feeling Bill should have created a site "just like everyone else's site" like phpBB so that nobody would be inconvenienced. although this site is more powerful in certain areas it does not have *some* of common features, Drupal shortcomings not Bills, but were working on it. acceptable? |
November 19, 2007 - 5:54pm | Oh, I'm glad he didn't just go with phpbb. Once past the learning curve, this site is awesome! I'm enjoying the time I spend here. But it is, comparatively, cutting-edge and more complex. That always carries a down-side. |
November 19, 2007 - 6:22pm | Aye, that's a future request -- groupings of project by area (rulesets, adventures, equipment, .....), a master download page with "released" versions of projects (also grouped), .... ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) |
November 19, 2007 - 7:33pm | Under the first post, before the second post, is where it is for me.... Doh... hiding in plain sight! ;) Kind of another example of having too much information on the screen at one time. Guess I'm just used to having that setting info in a more obscure area. Must... adapt... We have everything but blogging (which is easy to remedy and which I've already suggested to Bill and still want). I think this site is the future of community web sites. No other site with similar features (or soon to have such features) have the amalgamated feel of this site. It may be overwhelming at first sight, but it's very cozy. |
November 19, 2007 - 8:25pm | Actually, you've just demonstrated one of the strengths of the site and why it's so overwhelming. Everything is right there in your face and properly categorized. Navigation is simple, though takes a couple of clicks because of all the features, but it's standard. From a design standpoint, I'm going to disagree. I think having a setting option in my face all the time when it's not something I would be constantly using is a bad idea. It just ends up being clutter that my mind learns to ignore in order to focus more on what's important. I suspect that's why I didn't "see" it in the first place. Nothing has trained people better than on-site advertising to mentally "block" things we aren't going to use. It's the same with navigating my cable box channel guide... about 80% of the screen is data/advertising I ignore with about 20% being information I care about. It's tunnel vision that is shaped by the interface. |
