 October 23, 2007 - 11:21am | Refer to: New Introduction (part II). Needs a few edits but the concept you're portraying is super. Do we have any canon info about the Eorna, or are you operating off speculation? I personally don't know much about that ancient race, but that my be my lack of sufficient material. 3. We wear sungoggles during the day. Not because the sun affects our
vision, but when you're cool like us the sun shines all the time. |
 October 23, 2007 - 11:30am | Actually the "final draft" idea is going to be added under the documents in a few minutes sorry. Confucious Says: Man with one chopstick go hungry. Man who eat many prunes get good run for money. Man who live in glass house should change clothes in basement. |
October 23, 2007 - 1:01pm | Okay - my initial critique stands for this version as well, though in truth this version is much better. I think the statement that the Frontier comprises 99% of the galazy is probably incorrect... It's far to small of an area for that. I'm no astrophysicist but it seems to me that a galaxy is much larger than the area portrayed by the "Frontier" map. Anyone else have any real data? Can we compare it to the Milky Way? Maybe I'll go google 3. We wear sungoggles during the day. Not because the sun affects our
vision, but when you're cool like us the sun shines all the time. |
October 23, 2007 - 1:51pm | It says 99% of the center of the galaxy (or what people call the Frontier). But that is totally up to us to consider the center of the galaxy as the "Frontier" and then anything beyond that is "beyond the frontier". Confucious Says: Man with one chopstick go hungry. Man who eat many prunes get good run for money. Man who live in glass house should change clothes in basement. |
 October 23, 2007 - 2:29pm | if the Frontier were in the galatic center...it would not exist. it would need to be in the galactic habitable zone which is typically between the center and the outer rim, and between spiral arms (in a spiral galaxy). I would agree the Frontier is a smal part of a larger Galaxy. |
October 23, 2007 - 5:59pm | Buy if you read the intro it syas that the Frontier exits in the central part of the galaxy. But it is possible to survive in the center of the galaxy bt t is tougher thab say on one of the spiral arms becuase the core has very few stable stars in comparison but if you really look at it from a scientists poit of view we technically shouldnt be able to survive where we are (due to most stars in the spiral arms are very old in comparison to those in the center. So why go with such ralism now with a game that really doesnt have any to start with. Confucious Says: Man with one chopstick go hungry. Man who eat many prunes get good run for money. Man who live in glass house should change clothes in basement. |
October 23, 2007 - 6:08pm | Buy if you read the intro it syas that the Frontier exits in the central part of the galaxy. But it is possible to survive in the center of the galaxy bt t is tougher thab say on one of the spiral arms becuase the core has very few stable stars in comparison but if you really look at it from a scientists poit of view we technically shouldnt be able to survive where we are (due to most stars in the spiral arms are very old in comparison to those in the center. So why go with such ralism now with a game that really doesnt have any to start with. SF isn't real? I'VE BEEN DECIEVED!  point taken. |
October 24, 2007 - 10:45am | Okay now that thi was settled. Do we have any idea of how we should go about the introduction. Confucious Says: Man with one chopstick go hungry. Man who eat many prunes get good run for money. Man who live in glass house should change clothes in basement. |
October 24, 2007 - 11:04am | Okay now that thi was settled. Do we have any idea of how we should go about the introduction. I re-read the intro and it looks good. 99% of the center is acceptable. I gather from the reading that the galaxy outside the Frontier is teaming with life. There are 30-sum races inside the borders of the known Frontier and xx number outside. Of the 30-sum races how many are intelligent and at what level? How many are spcafaring? |
October 24, 2007 - 12:31pm | If we stick with Star Frontiers canon, the only spacefaring PC races are the Yazirian, Dralasite, Human, and the Vrusk. There are many other races, but these are the only ones who have developed space travel and begun traversing the Frontier. Anything else that is played as a PC race should at most be industrial-level technology, information-age, or something similar. We could even bend things slightly and state that a race has orbited its own planet, maybe even sent out a few exploration probes... but other than that their space travel should be nil. Any race that can traverse the stars that is included in this book - in my humble opinion (that can of course be ignored in your project, Gergmaster!) - should be from Beyond the Frontier. 3. We wear sungoggles during the day. Not because the sun affects our
vision, but when you're cool like us the sun shines all the time. |
October 24, 2007 - 2:08pm | So we need to decide what we are doing and just go from there. Do we all agree that the intro could work if we tweeked it or just use what we already have? Confucious Says: Man with one chopstick go hungry. Man who eat many prunes get good run for money. Man who live in glass house should change clothes in basement. |
October 24, 2007 - 7:42pm | So we need to decide what we are doing and just go from there. Do we all agree that the intro could work if we tweeked it or just use what we already have? Would it be possible to meet in chat at a certain time to disucss? (it might speed things along) I'm of old-school and I like the idea of 4 main races with space travel and lot's of other races sprinkled here and there in the Frontier but not space travel. I also like the Beyond section. It add lots of mystery, Ancients and possible Sathar encounters without distrubing the cannon already establised by AD, Zeb's and related material As
the Frontier began to expand more races began to sign the UPF
treaty/charter in order to become rich or be protected by the UPF
military. But, as the next century and a half began to unfold the
Frontier had been said to end at the edges of the center of the galaxy
which marked an imaginary boundary that hardly anyone was willing to
cross. But, as the years went the UPF could only find evidence of thirty-four recorded races amongst the Frontier borders. As scientists tried to make further contact they soon found out that outside the Frontier borders more races exited. This was determined by the massive amounts of satellites that were intercepted or the radio messages received. The galaxy was much bigger than it seemed to be for those who lived in the Frontier. I would scrath this from the Frontier section and include it in the Beyound section.
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October 25, 2007 - 10:43am | If you guys want to do a live chat I'll try find a time when we are all online. From there I'll send out a members notice in your messages and we'll go from there. Confucious Says: Man with one chopstick go hungry. Man who eat many prunes get good run for money. Man who live in glass house should change clothes in basement. |
 October 26, 2007 - 7:46am | Even with my limited knowledge of astronomy, I find the statement that the Frontier consists of 99% of anything, to be outright wrong. A galaxy, even a mini one (by galatic standards) consists of billions and billions of stars, and in spiral galaxies, they are densely packed near the center. Unfortunately, the cannon material for Star Frontiers is so wrong in terms of scale and such, but this material has become a sort of standard (wrong, but it is the standard). I would be quite happy to see the Frontier (and all the worlds such a region would entail) redesigned from the ground up... and hopefully by one who has more realistic knowledge in this area (no offense to anyone involved here... even I am effectively ignorant here). Updated concepts of the scale of the region. Updated concepts of travel time/speed/distance. More blank areas or unexplored star systems to explore between the various existing worlds. More and better planetary and star types and info (blue stars, dwarf stars, etc.) Could we put a call out to some sort of Astronomer or Astro-physics person who might have input, and of course, lets get that guy who made that beautiful new map to lend a hand to make such a redesign look great?? <insert witty comment here> |
October 26, 2007 - 9:02am | Could we put a call out to some sort of Astronomer or Astro-physics person who might have input, and of course, lets get that guy who made that beautiful new map to lend a hand to make such a redesign look great?? I know Guillermo Gonzalez who helped come up with the idea of the Galactic Habitable Zone and other findings with his team...but is it worth the time? Personally I like Corjay's idea of 3-D combat in KH and would like to see the current Zeb's map used 3-D. For instance: Why can't ships go above or below the Xagyg Dust Nebula instaed of going around through Capella/Osak/Kazak.... 
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October 26, 2007 - 10:08am | Even with my limited knowledge of astronomy, I find the statement that the Frontier consists of 99% of anything, to be outright wrong. A galaxy, even a mini one (by galatic standards) consists of billions and billions of stars, and in spiral galaxies, they are densely packed near the center. Unfortunately, the cannon material for Star Frontiers is so wrong in terms of scale and such, but this material has become a sort of standard (wrong, but it is the standard). The 99% is supposed to be the center of the galaxy (where the idea where the so-called Frontier ends and beyond the Frontier begins. I would be quite happy to see the Frontier (and all the worlds such a region would entail) redesigned from the ground up... and hopefully by one who has more realistic knowledge in this area (no offense to anyone involved here... even I am effectively ignorant here). Updated concepts of the scale of the region. Updated concepts of travel time/speed/distance. More blank areas or unexplored star systems to explore between the various existing worlds. More and better planetary and star types and info (blue stars, dwarf stars, etc.) Could we put a call out to some sort of Astronomer or Astro-physics person who might have input, and of course, lets get that guy who made that beautiful new map to lend a hand to make such a redesign look great?? Why dont we just start from the original stuff (Like the Alpha Dawn basic rules intro and the whatever original works) and build up from there. If we have an astronomer or astrophysist come and help us they'll say that everything with this game will be inacurate and impossible (which will put us back to square one). Confucious Says: Man with one chopstick go hungry. Man who eat many prunes get good run for money. Man who live in glass house should change clothes in basement. |
 October 28, 2007 - 6:25pm | Actually, the AD intro says that Humans orginated in the center of the galaxy, and they met the other three races in a region of space called the Frontier following contact via subspace radio. It's never specified where the Frontier actually is. "You're everything that's base in humanity," Cochrane continued. "Drawing up strict, senseless rules for the sole reason of putting you at the top and excluding anyone you say doesn't belong or fit in, for no other reason than just because you say so." —Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens, Federation |
November 9, 2007 - 10:11pm | Actually, the AD intro says that Humans orginated in the center of the galaxy, and they met the other three races in a region of space called the Frontier following contact via subspace radio. It's never specified where the Frontier actually is. Right. Exactly. Humans originate in the center - it says that clearly. Vrusk and Dralasite originate further out from the center. The "Frontier" is an area between the center and the area where the Vrusk and Dralasites bumped into one another.... and Yazirians already lived there. 3. We wear sungoggles during the day. Not because the sun affects our
vision, but when you're cool like us the sun shines all the time. |
