Secrets in the Frontier

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jedion357
October 27, 2014 - 5:29pm
This was surprising and interesting- US military irradiating not just equipment but the forest and wildlife

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Nuclear_Aircraft_Laboratory

So Space Fleet or Ground Fleet had a secret lab deep in the forest on Morgaine's world where a lot of classified testing of things was done. but the program was cut, the site leveled to the cerama-crete foundations, the underground entrance buried and the site was abandoned a decade ago.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!
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Abub
October 27, 2014 - 10:03pm
and you have a rumor that Space Fleet was actually working with the Sathar there to create a crossbread species of Sathar/Drals.  Maybe the truth can be dug up?


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jedion357
October 28, 2014 - 4:29am
Abub wrote:
and you have a rumor that Space Fleet was actually working with the Sathar there to create a crossbread species of Sathar/Drals.  Maybe the truth can be dug up?




That is a blatant lie by a sathar spy, I tell you! I would never have sex with a sathar, a yazirian maybe, I love the fur texture, but sathar? Never!
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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Jaxon
October 28, 2014 - 5:14am
Abub, that is sedition to spread such falsehoods. <expect a visit by Star Law.>

Laughing

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Abub
October 28, 2014 - 8:03am
Foot in mouth
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Rum Rogue
October 28, 2014 - 3:36pm
I remember some of these from grade school.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plowshare
Time flies when your having rum.

Im a government employee, I dont goof-off. I constructively abuse my time.

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Abub
October 28, 2014 - 5:41pm
Nice.


i wanna make an artifical harbor that will be unusable for 100 years due to it being... well radioactive.

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Jaxon
October 28, 2014 - 11:09pm
They have some wierd ones:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pig_Bristle

Operation Pig Bristle was an unusual transport task conducted by the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) in May 1946. The operation was ordered by the Australian Government in response to a national shortage of paint brushes, which was hindering house building efforts. No. 38 Squadron of the RAAF was given the task of transporting 25 tonnes of pig bristles from Chongqing in China to Hong Kong, from whence the bristles were shipped to Australia. The squadron completed this task over a two-week period.


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Jaxon
October 28, 2014 - 11:18pm
In reference to Inner Reach: 

Operation Team Spirit - joint military operations between Inner Reach Militia and UPF Spacefleet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Spirit

Operation Gladius - UPF's plan to stockpile weapons on planets of known Sathar approach; ex: Pale, New Pale, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

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Jaxon
October 28, 2014 - 11:22pm
In reference to Outer Reach: 

Operation Fortune - was a contigency plan established by Star Law for the removal of the president/prime minister of Outer Reach.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_PBFORTUNE

Operation Panther - Star Law's investingation into organized crime in Outer Reach. Justification - said criminal elements may assist Sathar and Sathar agents; either knowingly or unknowningly, for money or personal gain.


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jedion357
November 2, 2014 - 4:40am
Rum Rogue wrote:
I remember some of these from grade school.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plowshare


This sounds like something the sathar would not only flirt with but would impliment on wide and continuous scale.

So what if the natural gas was to radioactive to safely use? Us sathar are not actually using it, our subject peoples are.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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jedion357
November 2, 2014 - 5:23am
RE: Operation Pig Bristle- interesting story but I'm not sure that it would work with the angle of the inner reach practice of painting their skin- the scale of bushes is not the same- those used in house painting are intended to be disposable even though a good painter will clean and maintain his brush. An artist brush is so much smaller and consequently easier to clean and maintain and not considered so disposable.

and then there is the fact that in the frontier at this time they will also have synthetic bristles, and likely even synthetic bristles that match some of the high end organic bristles.

However a plot to use a new Synthetics Corporation developed paint brush bristle that reacts with water (a common element in washable paints) to produce a chemical that absorbs into the skin (both dralasite and human) and makes the subject susceptible to subliminal advertising and Synth Corp has witnessed a 900% increase in sales of all products on Inner Reach since its introduction due to a broad spectrum subliminal advert campaign.
However, even though on the surface this looks like a mega corp scheme, in truth its a sathar plot due to a highly placed agent within the corporation.

RE: Operation Gladio
Ideal campaign starter, PCs are a cell of stay behind paramilitary agents who activate when the sathar land. Easy to set up and run. and I would totally do jump on the cliche "you meet in a tavern" but in this case their activation plan calls for meeting in the basement of a bar and using the secret tunnel to their command post. thus the first adventure would be titled "You Meet in a Tavern"

I think you need a map of a small town with sewers mapped and secret tunnels- PCs have the opportunity to withdraw from combat with the worms and disappear underground if things are too hot.

RE: Operation Team Spirit and its other latter code names totally works for Inner Reach and Space fleet.

RE: Operation Panzer sounds like it could be a star law operation anywhere into outlaw motorcycle gangs including Port Loren. Shadow did an great article on biker gangs across the Frontier in one of the SFmans.
This could be a Star Law campaign starter

RE: PBFortune the tone of this doesn't sound like Star Law but would work for a mega corp: Operation Mega Credit: take out key execs, and owned polititicians if another corporate war started.
or to take out key government and law enforcement officials if another situation like the one on Carion arose where Streel was banded from the planet as in the WoWL module.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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jedion357
November 2, 2014 - 5:29am
This list boggles the mind
http://robottears.hubpages.com/hub/Top-10-dumbest-things-US-government-is-spending-our-tax-money-on
10 dumbest things the government has spent money on

and yet another list of dumb shi...ah.....stuff by government officials
http://books.google.com/books?id=t4jPxwgYO0YC&pg=PT45&lpg=PT45&dq=dumbest+things+ever+done+by+the+government&source=bl&ots=KugGY...

I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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Jaxon
November 2, 2014 - 9:52am
RE: PBFortune the tone of this doesn't sound like Star Law but would work for a mega corp: Operation Mega Credit: take out key execs, and owned polititicians if another corporate war started.
or to take out key government and law enforcement officials if another situation like the one on Carion arose where Streel was banded from the planet as in the WoWL module....

I understand but, disagree. Every American thinks that the FBI and CIA are upstanding organizations but, things have come to light that gave both organizations a black eye.

I believe this would work for Star Law. 

A committee in the Council of Worlds has a secret meeting behind closed doors, with Senior Star Law management. They sanction the creation of...Department ZZZ. Their function is to handle covert operations that pertain to the protection of the UPF, as it falls within the realm of "threat by the Sathar". This is a black ops organization. They then believe the President of Outer Reach is a threat and establishes a plan to remove him.

...1) This post is about secrets of the Frontier - correct?
2) This is sooooo un-Star Law like; that NO ONE would EVER believe that Star Law would do this.
3) So it is leaked out that Star Law has a plan to remove the President of Outer Reach. That does not mean that it is true...conspiracy theorists!

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Tchklinxa
November 2, 2014 - 10:28am
The Blue Plague could be not a Sathar Conspiracy as the average citizen believes but... a terraforming mistake of the Yazi's. A mistake that could rip the UPF apart, destroy relations between the Yazarians and the rest of the UPF, stop projects governments had invested lots of credits in, if discovered. Even if other corporations suspect they may not want it known either... public backlash could lead to lost profits across the UPF, ejection of Yazi scientists working for them on some planets, effect their research or products if suddenly the UPF decides to go GMO-phobic... worse what if it was not a mistake, a faction of Yazi developed the plague to kill non-Yazi but mutated and escaped or a religious zealot decided their own race & the UPF races had interfered with God's plan by surviving His will type logic of the destruction of the HW, the Sathar, or creating new life and so  was offending destiny and all Core 4 where guilty as well for using Yazarian sin bringing technology and needed to be smited to fulfill his crazy ideas... ??? That sort of secret would be worth a lot of folks killing over... to keep secret & the Sathar might want it released to weaken the UPF.
 "Never fire a laser at a mirror."

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jedion357
November 2, 2014 - 10:37am

@ Jaxon: I accept that but dont like the feel of making it Star Law. Its not the way i would run with it but you scenario if perfectly vallid.

@ Tchklinxa : wow interesting take on that. Perhaps we should assemble an article on Blue Plague conspiracies ?

1. Sathar
2. corporate
3. yazirian
It should produce a 1-1.5 page article.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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Tchklinxa
November 2, 2014 - 11:08am
The Blue Plague Conspiracy could easily be an article not only for flavor and misdirection in game play, but as plot elements that totally change the Frontier for those looking for a new feel or direction or setting without totally starting over. It has some good potential for refs. Could even cause PCs to risk going to a plague world to find the truth... "the truth is out there" lol
 "Never fire a laser at a mirror."

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Jaxon
November 2, 2014 - 5:11pm
Yes but, they need to evade Spacefleet vessels and probably: satellites, drones, mines, seekers, etc. There is a "shoot on sight" order for ships leaving the quarantine zones.

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Tchklinxa
November 2, 2014 - 7:35pm
What if there is more to the Quarantine Area then meets the eye? It would be the perfect place for an SF Area 51... either ex-research & storage facility now abandoned with all sorts of top secret goodies or things are alright now and the quarantine is bogus. Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

Of course it would be dangerous getting in or out... no matter the X File scenario. 

What if the plague world also hides some sort of technology... pandora's box was opened when an ancient artifact being studied was turned on... contact made with another race and that is really where the plague came from. Or maybe the plague was brought to the frontier via the device & the travel it allowed, by scientist using it, but you could get off the planet to unknown part of space if the PCs use it... 

As to plagues spreading I have found watching the absolutely irresponsible self centered actions of educated people who know they where in plague areas or working with a patient spreading it around the USA... when all they have to do is chill out for 21 days. So would people be irresponsible in a SF universe, probably... especially if they had a good motivation or at least big ego that says they know all, always do everything right, & lack doubt. In my experience the people with 100% confidence always make the most work related mistakes, because their logic is never to double check, never to be extra sure or extra safe.. as anything they do was done perfect. So I think that personality trait could be a factor in say going to a plague world. A mad scientist type might believe it could be done safely... 
 "Never fire a laser at a mirror."

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Jaxon
November 3, 2014 - 6:20am
agreed!

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Tchklinxa
November 7, 2014 - 11:50am
On the idea of Blue Plague... even though people might believe various conspiracies... GMO terra farming gone wrong, escaped gmo bug from a mega-corp or military lab, sathar did it... this race or that race responsible, it could just be something else:

Mother Nature is a serial killer, but we civilized folks like to blame other people, if the Black Plague where to occur now versus the Middle Ages for the very first time, everyone would scream all sorts of crazy ideas but all involving blaming people and not a random act of Mama Earth birthing a nasty. It used to be God or the Devil did it and bad anti-society sinning people are why (quick human sacrifice time) now it is Science or a Government did it & bad anti-society corrupt people did it. Same ego based psychology in different word packaging. 

It could be accidentally created, a harmless bug got mutated by accident from some sort of common UPF technology.

It could have been discovered by accident.. patient zero was the unlucky sod who found a super bug on some backwater hunk of space rock or planet.

Maybe a salvage crew or military ship found a drifting Sathar ship (maybe the Sathar found it first, has hurt their population so now invasion is off as plague has swept through their fleets) and became infected, but not symptomatic till they had all had contact with others and spread it around... 

Maybe we know what happened to a Home World... maybe that 2nd Colony Ship from Earth made it but it brought death...

The possibilities are endless, perhaps it is a bug from void space. 

Often bugs in one critter that are harmless to them when spread to another are deadly.

 "Never fire a laser at a mirror."

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Jaxon
November 9, 2014 - 6:51am
yes and some diseases cannot spread from animals to humanoids

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Tchklinxa
November 9, 2014 - 9:11am
Yes that is very true, a mutation must occur that allows it to jump the species line. Also somethings are fine in one part of the body but if said germ/bacteria gets introduced into the wrong part of the body it will kill you, so a harmless or even good bug can become a bad bug.

Weird Science Secret: Origin of Life in the Galaxy

This one is partially inspired by Star Trek & GW 

Scientists have noted that despite many races and species coming from and seeming to evolve on different home worlds all share certain proto DNA. This should not be possibly unless all species of life shared the same ancestor.

A long gone alien race seeded & terra formed the galaxy, finding that only their planet had life. These folks spread the same building blocks across space, sometimes in the most primitive forms, and sometimes in more advanced forms... this is why there are so many space apes for example. This space faring culture is so ancient finding evidence of who they where and what they looked like or even if they still exist is hard as heck. Most people consider it a space yarn, but the science says something is up, as DNA don't lie.  They did this millions of years ago, the galaxy was their science lab. They cloned, they terra-formed, they mutated and genetically engineered life from their home world in endless combinations. This race had a lot of mishaps along the way too. So some life was spread in a haphazard, accidental sort of way. 

Then their lab experiments gain space flight, and do even more spreading of life around, more engineering of life... until you get to the now.

So some place in the Galaxy there is a place where all life began. 

In the ST episode a couple races figure out that the DNA code is also a program, but only partial, so then the great space hunt is on for all the program parts... with some species destroying all life on the planets they find part of the code to... so when every one gets to the final planet they have to share the data to find out the big secret... which is an alien explaining the galaxy was a cold and lonely place devoid of all life except their own world's, so they created and spread life, imbedded a program into the DNA and hoped their children would some day find and realize how they where all related and how special life is. 

GW has some really weird life forms because of all the mutated evolved life, what if escaped millions of years ago and spread through the galaxy. In other words Earth is long dead, but through mishap accidents, and civilization rebuilding it's self from many evolved life forms it somehow got off of the 3rd rock, and seeded themselves & thus Earth's DNA across space.

There are lots of ways this Navel of Life idea can be used. Maybe life came from outside the galaxy from another galaxy, another dimension, through a whitehole or wormhole event... but someplace it started. If nothing else this idea can lead to crazy cults & scientists trying to prove it.



 "Never fire a laser at a mirror."

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Tollon
November 14, 2014 - 6:18pm
Tchlinxa, this is along the same lines.

Background:  On the other forum I frequent, a member was asking the question, without ruins and oral traditions what other ways were there for known that there were Ancient Aliens lurking in your area?  I posted the following.

Let's say a planetary cartographer is going over the maps of the known worlds.  Just check each map for accuracy and matches the data in their computers.  It just so happen he does three maps in a row and discovers that on each of these planets there is the exact same island.   All three islands are the same diameter and made from granite, there is a central lake and it is fed by four large natural tunnels.  General speaking the islands general appearance is that of a mesa.   He notes his findings and passes them up the change of command.

The Interstellar Survey Team (IST) would most likely put such a find on the back burner because it's not a clear indication of intelligent life.  There is also the distance between planets which seems to indicate that this is a random geological event.  This would delay the discovery of our ancient alien by several years.  Nor could you say without definite proof that they were natural formations.

When they finally get around to sending a Geological team to these three worlds, they realize there might be something to the cartographer suspicions. The tunnel ordinations are magnetic north to south east to west.  This allows the Geologist to date them at approximately 20,000 years before the present civilization.  There is also some evidence that something had cut the tunnels through the granite.

They report these findings and a second planetary survey is conducted on all three planets.   The information indicates the following:  Atmosphere is basically the same.  The planets are poor in mineral resources but great for farming which is what they are used for at present.  Animal never evolved beyond small primates, while the plant life consists of many grasses and small brush.   Conclusion:  The planets had either been stripped or terraformed.

There would be much debate about these planets on all sorts of scientific levels adding to the confusion, popular myth, and conspiracy theorist.   Quietly the IST begins investigating the possibility of an ancient alien race.  Occasionally some crackpot writes a tell all book about the IST activities and cover-ups leading everyone in the wrong direction and creating a larger than life mythos surround the actual finding from the original report.  So when the actual discovery of an alien artifact is discovered, the general population blows it off as some crackpot seeking fifteen minutes of fame.

The ship that is discovered is spherical in design and mistaken as a planetoid circling within a gas giant's rings. The centuries have not been kind making the ship appear to have suffered many small impacts and covered in a dirty layer of ice and dust.  It's only after the mining company does an exploratory shaft do they discover that it’s a ship.  There is some delay in reporting the find adding more intrigue to the story I have thus woven.

When the IST finally get their hands on the ship several things become clear.   The large crater at the South Pole match the diameter of the islands discovered and is a part of the drive system.  The smaller impact craters are from weapons fire and the ship was abandon since no bodies were found on the ship.

You can take it from here...


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Tchklinxa
November 14, 2014 - 6:47pm
Very good background...

Other indications of civilization that do not involve ruins per say...

Origin wild species of a domestic plant or animal that is common, Domestic/feral wildlife, the garbage dump (which can appear natural hill till excavated), mine shafts, slag heaps (the refinery/factory is long gone but the slag from metal refinement or glassmaking still exists),specific types of pollution, antibodies for diseases in native populations that should not have had contact with said disease also retro-viruses change DNA. Evidence of civilization is often subtle but to the trained eye it can be seen... Medicine Wheel is obvious "civilization" what is not obvious to all the visitors is the other sites surrounding it, so those sites don't need a fence to protect them from idiots (note I am not stating where or what those sites are, to protect them.) A well weathered artifact (like a statue can look like a natural rock formation to the untrained eye.) Some things are only visible from arial photos or special satellite imagining. Connection between civilizations can be linked with customs, animals, plants, weapons, basket, pottery styles, alphabets, language base and much more.

 "Never fire a laser at a mirror."

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Tchklinxa
November 15, 2014 - 8:44am
I need to clarify... I am not calling us "idiots" but any random person who might see this post because of a word search on the net and be inclined to do the dumb, destructive things they do that requires fences to be put up to protect archeological & culturally sensitive sites in the first place.




 "Never fire a laser at a mirror."