Gauss Launching (ala Battlestar Galactica)

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Ascent
January 19, 2012 - 7:53pm
Would gauss launching fighter craft, the way depicted in Battlestar Galactica, be feasable, both as non-dangerous and as energy-efficient?
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jedion357
January 19, 2012 - 8:18pm
I'm sure its possible though whether its efficient? Dunno. In all likelihood you need a reactor fission or fission that supplies a lot of power for doing this with a fighter. No doubt its wasteful but the fact that it gets a fighter in space right fast is the overriding concern. Would a civilian platform do this? Naw.
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rattraveller
January 20, 2012 - 6:14am
The Battlestar Galactica as presented followed a very different tech path then current Earth. Probably closer to SF in that while they have some tech which is very far in advance of Earth but alot which does not seem to have gotten past the 1980s.

This might be explained in the fascinating thread where nothing changes for a very long time until one person stumbles across a better way and suddenly a whole new technology builds up around it.
For example 1950s movies had instant and small comm devices but they were only radios or analog tech. It wasn't until later that digital tech gave us the smart phone wonder devise.

The launch rails used in BG probably came about because they were fighting a war and there was a concentration of effort in safe, fast and efficient star fighter research which brought it about.
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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jedion357
January 20, 2012 - 6:26am
To a certain degree the archaic 1980s tech was a counter measure in and of itself against cylinder viral attack. All the phones on Galactica were not wireless and no linked wireless computer networks allowed. But I do agree with your reasoning.
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Gilbert
January 20, 2012 - 3:53pm
  Here's a bit of info for you to read about gauss launched fighters. It seem the military now is experimenting with the idea of launching fighters with the same process.

http://www.michaelvacirca.com/2010/12/23/electromagnetic-rail-gun-launches-fighter-jet/

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AZ_GAMER
January 20, 2012 - 4:37pm

One interesting history I read for BSG stated that the Cylons actually served on the early battlestars before the cylon rebellion as soldiers and space labor. It wasn't until the rebellion that they yanked all the wireless tech so that the cylons couldnt access it. Galactica's class of ship was one of the first that had an all human crew according to this history. I think we will see a lot more of this when Blood and Chrome comes out.

Any way here is my take on it. Just like us, we make this huge leap in space flight with the Nasa programs and we are still driving around internal combustion engine auto's. Are computer tech takes some serious turns in advancement and miniturization and our space program becomes obsolete. I think that technology goes in cycles. I think one of the reasons (besides its earth tv) that you saw Hummer like jeeps and regular heavy trucks in the show is that they worked so their industrial complex didnt spend anymore time trying to reinvent the wheel. They discovered FTL flight so now they were focusing on interstellar travel and not so much on what they were putting out on the roads. After all if interstellar travel were the big thing a lot more industry would boom to service that instead of some old clunky cars. I'm sure in their world the cars probably ran on more efficient engines than gas burners like electric, chemical, or helium 3 power cells. The development of Gauss tech is expected since we are almost there ourselves. One article I read about the new Galactica is that the STL drives are Ion Plasma Based with Fusion power plants. The same article said that galactica's engines were not particuarly fast bc of its size and the engines design but they weren't needed to be fast because the ship had FTL. Most of the weapons seen on the new BSG were described as some kind of gauss, coil gun, or rail gun tech. I think that i read that their pistols were Binary proellent caseless rounds. Two separately inert chemicals which are hamless separate but reactive when mixed.

I don't think it would be necessary to have a gauss launcher as a space crafts intertia could be used to assist in launch and since there is no gravity there is no escape velocity that needs to be satisfied unless the ship is massive enough to create its own gravity or has some kind of artificial gravity field generator that effects the launch bay too.


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January 20, 2012 - 9:00pm
My (c) 1978 blueprints of the Galactica specify the Viper launch bay as having "catapults".  Which could be a form of mass driver, or something more primitive as with aircraft carriers - lowtech & reliable.  There was that one episode (exodus?) where Athena did a "steam purge" on the launch tube Starbuck and Cassiopeia are, ah, having a private moment in, so maybe it is lower tech.

How long would a launch tube need to be so that the crew survives while being an effective launch system?

On Luna, if there was a Mass Driver 3.5km long, with superconducting magnet rings spaced 40m apart at the head and ~80m at the end, a load would be under 100 gravities to reach the 1.6kps lunar escape velocity.  6km long might be passenger capable.

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jedion357
January 21, 2012 - 7:01am
There is no actual escape velocity to overcome with Galactica I suspect its more an issue of imparting as much initial velocity as possible to clear the safety limits of the fighter's drive. It probably boils down to how many seconds can we save in fighter operations when seconds may make a difference.
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Ascent
January 21, 2012 - 7:46am
Exactly, jedion. Time is the factor.

Let's assume the track is 50 meters long. (That seems about the length of the track in the fighter launch video,) Humans can safely stand 22g for 1 second without konking out. How fast would that get the fighter before it is fully launched. I'm not good at that sort of calculation.
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TerlObar
January 21, 2012 - 9:15am
If the tube was 50m long and you were throwing them out at 22g you'd be in the tube for 0.68 seconds and exit with a velocity of 146.8 m/s (about 330 mph).
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Ascent
January 21, 2012 - 10:14am
What am I doing wrong in checking your equation? I'm doing 9.81066 x 9.81066 (from 9.81066 m/s2 = 1g acceleration) = 96.2490496356 m/s x 0.68 sec = 6.5449353752208 x 22g = 1,439.885782548576 m/s or 5,184 kph (3,221 mph)

Then I thought that if the acceleration is reduced due to time reduced, then I might have a smaller acceleration to start, so I tried this equation: 9.81066 x 0.68 = 6.6712488 x 6.6712488 = 44.50556055150144 m/s x 22g = 979.12233213303168 m/s or 3,525 kph (2,190 mph)

Can you give me the correct calculation to check the result?
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Ascent
January 21, 2012 - 10:30am
I figured out the equation that checks your figures. You multiply the 9.81066 m/s x the number of seconds, in this case 0.68. I seem to remember this differently, but I guess I'm wrong. If the seconds are supposed to be squared, shouldn't the seconds be 0.4624? Thus, the result would be 99.8 m/s or 359 kph (223 mph)
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TerlObar
January 21, 2012 - 12:46pm
The equiations are (assmuming you're startting from rest):

distance = 1/2 * acceleration * time * time

velocity = accleration * time
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