Issue 15 discussion

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jedion357
September 29, 2010 - 7:54pm
Issue 15 is out- get your downlaod now.

So what do we think?
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!
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Gargoyle2k7
September 29, 2010 - 8:05pm
I have yet to peruse it fully, but I am glad to see more info on the Rim races, and the material on Point True and the religion may dovetail nicely with a couple of articles I'm working on.  I did notice an error in my article on the BioSys gear that I wish I'd caught before it went to print.  Oh, well.
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jedion357
September 29, 2010 - 8:35pm
@ Gargoyle:
The Religion article was fun stuff and written under the guise of supporting a Zebulon theme
however, only 1 of the detailed religions is "Rim" in orgin

It occurs to me that using terms like animism, pantheistic and such, which seem natural to me as I did study theology in college probably should have been defined for clarity.

maybe I can address that in a second instalment.

I love the fact that chris harper provided a hypno clinic floor plan with his article and suggested possible adventures - excellent well rounded work that was.

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TerlObar
September 29, 2010 - 8:56pm
Gargoyle, what was the error?  We can always fix it since we only do digital distribution :) . 

Also, I'm hoping in the future to have the edit cycle go around with the authors a few times before publication.  We ended up being a little rushed on this one since we wanted to get it out the door before the end of the month.  In the future, we may send "camera ready" proofs to the authors for a final check before publication (are you taking notes w00t?).  That way they can spot any last minute mistakes we made in editing or that we didn't catch that seems okay to us but wasn't what the author intended.
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w00t (not verified)
September 30, 2010 - 12:33pm
i have concerns with your proposal and would rather take it off-line.
the current process is to contact the author during the editing process not when its in layout. (maybe thats what you ment). in very rare cases do we change something w/o the authors approval and lots of times i need to add more fluff to an article or an Editor's Note.

and yes i will correct mistakes and re-upload



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Gargoyle2k7
September 30, 2010 - 12:50pm
The error was in the ear slugs: the line "a living earplug produced in cooperation with X^x bioengineering," should be dropped entirely.  When I started the article, I had no name for the company and stated "(xx) engineering", and meant to fill in a company name later.  Of course we could leave it and claim that X^x Bioengineering is another small company (maybe a vrusk company under PGC, CDC or whatever). 
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w00t (not verified)
September 30, 2010 - 1:23pm
all corrections should go to the submissions email box (so i don't miss any)

I added X^x replacing your xx - fluff. :-)
now we can write up something about them. i love when ppl use stuff from other articles. :-)

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jedion357
September 30, 2010 - 4:48pm
Trade House X^x (pronounced Xicks or at least that is close enough) famouse for it's founder who mapped the vrusk genome and specializing in bioengineering. It has whethered a number of take over attempts by various mega corps and resisted offers to become a conglomerate with other trade houses.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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w00t (not verified)
September 30, 2010 - 5:20pm
vrusk bioengineering, neat

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Gargoyle2k7
October 1, 2010 - 2:52am
I was thinking on this: Maybe X^x Bioengineering, whatever its beginnings, is now a bioweapons and military biotech corp?  They have made great strides in studying new species for use in military applications (and it makes sense for the ear slugs since most weapons make a lot of noise).  Now back to our actual discussion of issue 15...  :)
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Scarecrow
October 1, 2010 - 3:14am
Wow! My pics look better than I remember them!

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w00t (not verified)
October 1, 2010 - 7:22am
Crow,
It's the robotic layout. ;-)

Great issue all around, art&articles. I'm glad it was delayed to produce quality and Zeb's content.

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w00t (not verified)
October 1, 2010 - 8:00am
Who is the author of Humma Hop Back?

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w00t (not verified)
October 1, 2010 - 10:02am
Yazirian Star Exodus

I can imagine an entire campaign centered around this. Very cool jedion!
What if the Family of One conspired to produce the false evidence of a brown dwarf wiping out Yazir and the PC's are able to find the "lost" star routes?

Circuit overload!

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w00t (not verified)
October 1, 2010 - 11:20am
I love the circus ad. Would like to see an artist capture life in the big top!

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umungus
October 6, 2010 - 5:02pm
Hey thanks Jedi!

I have been mega busy lately. Have been lamenting that I haven't had time yet to read the issue.
Will post soon about it...

At least I got to scare an alien rabbit thingy......


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w00t (not verified)
October 7, 2010 - 11:48am
309 downloads!
Let's get some more feedback. :-)

FYI, I cleaned up a couple things and will re-uploaded this eve.

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Ascent
October 12, 2010 - 6:42pm
w00t wrote:
Who is the author of Humma Hop Back?


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jedion357
January 8, 2012 - 10:56am
Noticed something wrong in the archetype article, it mentions humma using rifles or grenades but this is incorrect due to the fact that their arms are too short to use those items.
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w00t (not verified)
January 8, 2012 - 12:58pm
I've seen children hold AK-47's on news-clips. I'm sure humma could manage, after all this archetype is a survivalist. :-)

Perhaps short arms give the humma a limited range for throwing stuff, say half?

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jedion357
January 8, 2012 - 1:26pm
I believe Zebs outlaws long rifles for them which is why I proposed carbine style rifles for them in the humma sections of the Zebs project. Basically the shorter Calvary style rifle.
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Gilbert
January 8, 2012 - 2:37pm
  Tactical error that many soldiers and rangers have made in the field when dealing with Humma in a combat situation, believing Humma cannot use grenades in combat. The use of grenades is very close to the use of the very first ranged weapon, the thrown rock. The attack is a modified leap attack that the Humma love to do because the love of seeing their enemy's face of fear before they die.
facts for a Humma leap attack:
  It is a 25 meter distance jump, so, this makes the peek of the arc something like better than 10 meters or there about.
facts for grenades in SF: 
  With the max blast radius for grenades is 5 meters for the sonic boomer, all others is 3 meters and 1 meter for the marble.

  Since this special attack is the Humma's favorite attack, I would think that they would have some kind of opportunity attack scheme of which they get to draw straws to see who gets the honor of dropping a grenade into the enemies lap grinning and laughing the rest of the way when the grenade lands in the enemies unexpectedly in their lap.
 For normal grenade attacks, they would use grenade launchers.
 
  As for the use of rifles, see page 71 in Zeb's for a good artist's concept of a Humma using a rifle. In the race desciption, it specificly says "Their short arms can hold a rifle but are not suited for melee weapons."  Furthermore, under the special abilities it atates, "The tail can only rap around hilts, handles, etc," makeing only the hand needs to pull the trigger with the weight and recoil being absorbed by the tail which to me is perfect for this for its strength and design with the recoil not being sent straight into the body like other races shoulders.

  IMPORTANT: If none of this fits into you way of thinking, the Humma use some kind of modified grips, hilts, or handles on items so Humma can use them, this has been done before, just look at the Vrusk details for weapons and equipment handling in their description and various places in the AD book.
  A crafty referee is not one to assume that it cannot happen because he will catch you off-guard by surprising you when you least expect it. In normal combat situation against Humma you need to throw the book away because a whole new tactical and combat book has been opened when it comes with dealing with Humma combat troops that are well organized and trained to use these battle tactics to the utmost surprise.
  DO NOT under estimate your enemy. Any Humma that has recieved the honor to kill the enemy will take pride and enjoy dropping a grenade into your lap to see your face of surprise maybe they all will do it anyway. The only clue that this attack is taking place is the others holding fire when the Humma delivering the grenade is at the height of his leap.
 Reading the society and customs section of the race can be a very insightful clue on how practiced in combat Humma really are being a feudal society "with a history steeped in civil and interspecies war." I see them as very cunning and ingenious race of figuring out how to kill their enemies mean time being able to see the look on the enemies face as they do so wishing they had a camera for what the Humma deem a "Kodak moment."
  The group I had refereed had a Humma and the player that had the Humma played the character very well in my rules this is why I felt the need to have a Space Marine veteran NPC in the group to offset for the Humma that would see him as an equal in some fashion and not cause trouble or try to dominate the rest of the group.
  I agree with the article and think it still does not put the right perspective on the Humma as being a race to deal with having a feudal mindset that can be dominating in the most tame setting. A Humma will see another race as weak especially if they do not carry out an "order" the way Humma seen it should be done even if the Humma is not in command. The leadership of a group would be viewed as weak if a reprimand was not carried out for failure to do so. I have even run my group across a group that had Hummas in it and the fur did fly because of the Humma expectations on both sides. However, the Humma are not a stupid race and admission of not defeat but better opponents to warrant a truce for negotiations to stop the needless bloodshed only if the opponents have proven themselves honorable and not deface the Humma of their pride but honor the worthiness of fighting.

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jedion357
January 8, 2012 - 6:12pm
My bad, my memory was faulty and I was posting while at work without access to my copy of zebs.
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Gilbert
January 8, 2012 - 6:19pm
  Sorry, I feel bad for seeming to attack you but I found it hard to believe you would say something like that; however, your explaination does make sense. I was just trying to make some points with Humma combat and show that Humma can use rifles not attack you in any way.

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jedion357
January 8, 2012 - 6:28pm
Gilbert wrote:
  Sorry, I feel bad for seeming to attack you but I found it hard to believe you would say something like that; however, your explaination does make sense. I was just trying to make some points with Humma combat and show that Humma can use rifles not attack you in any way.
no I was incorrect thanks for the correction. I really shouldn't post and work at the same time- as that is usually the occassion when I totally bugger a post.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!