bicycles in SF

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beowulf
June 23, 2009 - 8:42pm

I had Dralasite character use a pedal powered bicycle in a game once, which was funny and helped him get around a bit faster than normal.


IMO bicycles would still be in use by Frontier citizens, and some new varieties may exist with extra features.  You might have a folding "swiss army" model made of ultra-light weight material that could be carried on your back, neatly stowed in a small pack.  You also might have a miniature seu powered engine for help while pedaling up inclines.

Feeling adventurous, I just took my mountain bike, loaded with camping gear, on a round trip of almost 100 miles into the Adirondack Mountains and back home.  On the way home, I saw a black bear cross the road ahead of me that gave me the feeling I was really in the wilderness.  With no cars in sight, it could just as well have been another planet.  I just wished I had an electrostunner or dose grenade in case the bear got too close.

The only drawback with bicycles on the Frontier is that you really need a good trail or road to use them.  You might not find bikable trails just anywhere, but biking in cities like Port Loren should be easy.

Dralasites should be able to pedal a bicycle designed for them, but a vrusk bicycle would look strange indeed.

Any other thoughts?

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TerlObar
June 23, 2009 - 8:59pm
I never really thought about it before but you are right, there would still be bikes around on the Frontier. 

Actually, the first thing that came to mind was that I drew a top down view of a Vrusk exercise bike.  You can find it in room 17 on this deck plan.  The more I think about it, the pedals should be a little further out and not all lined up but staggered.  A regular bike would look similar but have a regular handlebar set instead of the exercise bike display.
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June 23, 2009 - 9:18pm
Thats not to shabby Terl,

First thing that came to mind when I saw the thread title was Steam punk and Victorian Sci-Fi which has bicycles turning up quite often. You could have a very victorian type contraption of a muscle powered flying bike on a low gravity world.

Also skate boards and roller blades come to mind. I could see a dralasite skate boarder being a lot of fun and a vursk on roller blades being a menace to the pedestrian traffic.


I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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Shadow Shack
June 23, 2009 - 9:44pm
...and then all the hover versions would follow: hover-bicycle, hover-board (Back to the Future), hover-blades, etc

And don't forget the Silly not-Economical Grotesque Waste of Any Year (SEGWAY)
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Ascent
June 24, 2009 - 5:37am
Segways are good for huge labs and campuses, as they pose less of a danger to pedestrians than bikes. But they are definitely worthless for any other type of environment.

As for fold up bikes, great idea. I believe they already exist, but are currently the pervue of the rich, as they aren't currently cost effective. And there are offroad bicycles. They're called dirt bikes (commonly kid's bikes; ever seen a dirt bike race?) and mountain bikes (10-speed style). They don't give them those wide kleet tires for gripping a concrete road better. You don't need a trail to use them. you just need land with no tall grass or swamp. If there's tall grass or swamp, just fold up the bike and hike it across the field or plain. Characters would likely use such a bike at least 50% of the time in a wildernes, I would think. They would even be able to use them in woodlands and forests, but not rain forests. Though would suffer encumbrance penalties if the trees are defleafing as in autumn.
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Sargonarhes
June 24, 2009 - 11:59am
Google search, there are folding bikes out there. But I imagine they cost way too much, most are also not designed for off-road use like mountian bikes are. And forget 10-speeds, that's old school now. They have 21-speeds, I know I've been looking into buying a mountain bike for myself. And tall grass isn't that much of an impediment for a bike, sure it slows you down but it's passable. 1/2 movement rate.

But on top of a small seu drive to asist on inclines, you could also add a generator to recharge some seu power. Might be able to charge a single seu clip or enough power for other devices.
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Shadow Shack
June 24, 2009 - 2:42pm
Ascent wrote:
Segways are good for huge labs and campuses, as they pose less of a danger to pedestrians than bikes. But they are definitely worthless for any other type of environment.


The SUVs of the sidewalks. Just as dangerous as all the able-bodied nitwits out there cruising around on power chairs. People don't pay attention when they drive on the road, that skill doesn't translate differently on the sidewalks.

And for what they cost, you can choose from a wide variety of used cars or new motorcycles/scooters/mopeds and still have some change in your pockets.
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June 28, 2009 - 7:37pm
Segways: Right up there with Hovarounds, Rascals and Wal-Mart electric carts in providing for the able-bodied's gods-given right to be lazy. 

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Ascent
June 28, 2009 - 10:27pm
Yeah, who cares about the needs of the elderly and infirm. If they need help getting around a square half mile surface area, they can bring their cane, right?

There are reports of Power Chair hit and runs every day in the news papers and on TV news. Darn old people and their mechanical means killed my sister when one barreled over her in a K-Mart on a Hovaround at 3 miles per hour. It was a closed-casket funeral.

The woman from I, Robot should get herself a Segway, so she could have said: "You're lucky I don't have my Segway or I'd drive all up and down yo' ass!"

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June 29, 2009 - 2:52am
The only good thing about a Segway is after the buffoon hits you with one, it makes for a good sledge hammer to beat him with.
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June 29, 2009 - 6:15pm
I've seen teenagers jousting in Wal-Mart electric carts.

And, CJ, the elderly and infirm all have to use their canes, cause the lazy people took all the electric carts before them.

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Sargonarhes
July 1, 2009 - 11:20am
I saw a video on the news of two guys knocking off an old person on their scooterchair. They aren't that damgerous... Well maybe they are with the way most people drive now. We've seen plenty of stories of old man plows car through a crowd of people. Giving them are moving chair just increases the areas they can drive into people at.

And just wait once they get those walking chairs the Japanese are working on.
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Shadow Shack
July 1, 2009 - 7:28pm
What always amazes me is people that have legal tags to park in the handicap spots yet have no mobility issues whatsoever.
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July 2, 2009 - 12:21am
I know a couple people whose tags are not due to mobility, but fragility.

Here are the options from the Alaska application for handicap parking permits:
1. The applicant cannot walk two hundred feet without stopping to rest.
2. The applicant cannot walk without the use of, or assistance from, a brace, cane, crutch, another person, prosthetic device, wheelchair, or other assistive device.
3. The applicant is restricted by lung disease to such an extent that their forced (respiratory) expiratory volume for one second, when measured by spirometry, is less than one liter, or the arterial oxygen tension is less than sixty mm/hg on room air at rest.
4. The applicant uses portable oxygen.
5. The applicant has a cardiac condition to the extent that their functional limitations are classified in severity as Class III or Class IV according to standards set by the American Heart Association.
6. The applicant is severely limited in their ability to walk due to an arthritic, neurological, or orthopedic condition.
#6 is used for cases where the risk of falling is high due to osteoporosis. Like my mother.

Mine is issued for cartilege damage resulting in walking with a cane. #2.

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Shadow Shack
July 2, 2009 - 5:22am
I get that, but I'm talking about the occassional guy that parks in said spots with said tags and then gets out to bolt across the parking lot, running and dodging. Just awaiting the day I see one do that and hop into one of the store-provided power chairs...

Alas I stopped sweating that over a decade ago (it still makes me shake my head though), after all my motorcycle parks nicely on the sidewalk near the vending machines and front door Foot in mouth
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jedion357
July 2, 2009 - 9:07am
just found a neat battle report of a GasLight game that had bicycles in combat and while Victorian Sci-fi isn't about plausibility the pics look great (just scroll down the blog a bit):
http://littleleadmenofvalour.blogspot.com/2009/06/battle-of-mitcham-gaslight.html

enjoy
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July 2, 2009 - 4:58pm
jedion357 wrote:
just found a neat battle report of a GasLight game that had bicycles in combat and while Victorian Sci-fi isn't about plausibility the pics look great (just scroll down the blog a bit):
http://littleleadmenofvalour.blogspot.com/2009/06/battle-of-mitcham-gaslight.html

enjoy

Didn't see any bicycles.

Unicycle Lancers??? - does not seem like a very stable platform to use a lance from.

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July 2, 2009 - 5:45pm
If you noticed, that game has a bit of Labyrinth in it. I don't think it's meant to be realistic. More like silly.
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jedion357
July 2, 2009 - 9:19pm
Steam punk and Victorian Sci-fi games often sport rather silly stuff but I find the over all concept fun: especially Space 1889 since it has such comprehensive setting developement.
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July 6, 2009 - 5:24pm
What, no Penny Farthing Bicycle Lancers?!

The Villiage was most disappointed, LOL!

Be seein' ya!

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aramis
July 7, 2009 - 1:00am
Somewhere there was a Penny-farthing steam cycle writeup for Sp:1889...


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JCab747
March 25, 2017 - 4:40pm
Curious. Did anyone ever come up with statistics for using bicycles in the game?

I would think the Vrusk would prefer tricycles or even quadricycles for their stability.

Here's a modern take on the high-wheeler I found online

Image result for sci fi bicycle
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March 26, 2017 - 11:56am
JCab747 wrote:
Curious. Did anyone ever come up with statistics for using bicycles in the game?

No need to, because a modern bicycle is capable of similar performance as SF's 70's tech based electric ground vehicles. Tongue out
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