WotC releasing PDFs of modules on DriveThruRPG

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TerlObar
November 28, 2017 - 5:52pm
Just a hour or so ago, WotC started posting PDFs of the Star Frontiers modules on-line on DriveThruRPG.  Currently it is just the character sheets (free) and the two Volturnus modules ($4.99 each) but DriveThruRPG responded to one of my tweets saying more were on the way.  Here are the links:

http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/226994/Star-Frontiers-SF-AC1-Official-Character-Record-Sheets
http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/226992/Star-Frontiers-SF1-Volturnus-Planet-of-Mystery
http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/226993/Star-Frontiers-SF2-Starspawn-of-Volturnus

This is probably in relation to the trademark application by Evil Hat.  We'll see what it means for the posted versions at starfronteirs.com and starfrontiersman.com and for the magazines and fan sites in general.  However, I think if they are going to be supporting it again beyond just re-releasing these as PDFs, I'd better try to get this site up to modern standards and more performant as we may be getting more visitors.
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rattraveller's picture
rattraveller
November 28, 2017 - 6:21pm
Okay picked up the Character Sheets. Clean copy. Hope they can get SF 0 up sometime soon. 
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

JCab747's picture
JCab747
November 28, 2017 - 6:41pm
It will be interesting to see what WotC does exactly. If they actually want to support the game, maybe they's be open to submissions.
Joe Cabadas

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JCab747
November 28, 2017 - 6:41pm
Getting more visitors to this site would help.
Joe Cabadas

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sevanwint
November 28, 2017 - 8:24pm
A low cost/effort way to respond to trademark question. Smart.

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jedion357
November 29, 2017 - 6:37am
Too bad there isn't a print on demand option on the modules, that would be sweet.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

rattraveller's picture
rattraveller
November 29, 2017 - 10:29am
Well you could always go to Staples or Kinko for printed versions.
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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jedion357
November 29, 2017 - 12:02pm
rattraveller wrote:
Well you could always go to Staples or Kinko for printed versions.


Could but the final product wont be as nice (no center staple binding) and you go through the "pain" of explaining to the STapled monkey that they can print a document with a copywrite that it's not a problem.

Not a fan of comb binding anymore as they begin to break.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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Shadow Shack
November 29, 2017 - 9:21pm
Or for the cost of a pdf and a trip to Staples/Kinkos/etc you could just get an original copy from eBay.
No, I'm not overly fond of Zeb's Guide. Nor do I have any qualms in stating why. Tongue out

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JCab747
November 30, 2017 - 9:28am
Some of those ebay prices are pretty steep, however.
Joe Cabadas

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Shadow Shack
December 1, 2017 - 9:14pm
Well, yeah...if you're looking at store based near mint copies. Well played copies from private sellers tend to list at single digit prices.

That and I would never buy anything that was shrink wrapped on eBay. A couple hundred bucks gets you a shrink wrap machine and you get that investment back with two or three "MIB" (Mint In Box) sales. For example, I can take my purple SF box and drop a packaged loose leaf paper pack into it along with a few plastic electrical connectors, shrink wrap it, and sell it for the amazing low near mint price of $89. It feels and sounds just like the original contents when you shake it, and the collector willing to pay that for a sealed boxed set will never open it knowing that it will immediately devalue the purchase (which, unbeknownst to the collector, was already devalued before he/she bought it).
No, I'm not overly fond of Zeb's Guide. Nor do I have any qualms in stating why. Tongue out

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rattraveller
December 2, 2017 - 5:57am
That is not just eBay. Fakes and frauds are common in any and all collector markets. eBay has the additional problem of not being able to actually handle the items.

Best bet is to check the seller's rating. Not just the number but the actual reviews since eBay combines buyer and seller ratings. Generally anyone with a 10 or less you should be extremely careful. Also anyone with less than 95% is not doing enough right.

Also with certain items if it is coming from China, it is probably a knock off and you should be wary that it will not be the same quality.
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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Shadow Shack
December 2, 2017 - 9:22am
rattraveller wrote:
That is not just eBay. Fakes and frauds are common in any and all collector markets. eBay has the additional problem of not being able to actually handle the items.

Yep. The big scam in comic books is the CGC rating. For a hundred bucks you send this company your book and they "appraise" it...you can send them the worst copy you own with rips, tears, missing staples, i.e. falling apart and they'll rate it for at least several hundred in value with their system (or several thousand if it's actually in decent shape). The catch is it gets "appraised" for the person who sent it in, they do not guarantee the value once that person offloads it. They enclose it in a heavy duty plastic case which, apparently, is easy enough to open and reseal...you can see where I'm going with this.

I was at a comic shop once where someone brought a CGC copy in with the corresponding certificate (in someone else's name of course) and was asking a crazy price for it. The shop owner made a counter offer but insisted that he be able to open the case and actually inspect the book first. The customer finally agreed, and when the case was opened it turned out to be a color copy of the comic book cover with no staples slipped over a Go-Bots comic. In other words, the guy paid an insane amount of money for something that was the furthest from being legitimate because he himself never bothered to inspect it...and he got it from a reputable eBay seller (who also was not the name listed on the certificate and coincidentally also probably never inspected it).

But hey, at least it had the hype of a CGC rating to help the sale...and that's more than enough for a lot of collectors. ;)


The other ongoing "scam" with comic books is the most reputable price guide (Overstreet) was purchased by one of the big comic book shops over a decade ago. Interestingly enough, the annual guide following the acquisition seriously devalued anything less than near mint...in other words a "very fine" or "fine" copy (which is one and two grades below NM respectively) were once 70-80% of NM and 60-70% of NM prices, now VF is 35% and F is 30%.

Which naturally helps the shop owner acquire valuable books at 10-25% of guide prices on the uber-cheap (i.e. what was once 10-25% of 60-80% of NM is now 10-25% of 30-35% of NM value), and turn them around for well above his "guide values" due to the fact that most collectors accept that silver age books are getting tough to find in any condition. While the retail values are still high, it's the shop owners that make out like bandits now when folks sell in desperation.
No, I'm not overly fond of Zeb's Guide. Nor do I have any qualms in stating why. Tongue out

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Stormcrow
January 2, 2018 - 10:21am
Alpha Dawn is now available, and it comes in PDF, softcover, and hardcover options. An official print-on-demand edition!

rattraveller's picture
rattraveller
January 2, 2018 - 8:51pm
Checked it out. It is all three of the books, Basic, Expanded and SF0 Module in one 137 page book. Looks interesting.
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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jedion357
January 3, 2018 - 6:00am
Did someone say Hard cover?
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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Stibbons
January 20, 2018 - 4:39am
They did indeed say hardcover and Knight Hawks is also available, I have availed myself and am now the proud owner of the two boxed rule sets as harcover books.

Quality is superb, well bound, great covers (which could provide hard cover if you stacked enough of them up), the scans are crisp and clear and the colours on the maps wonderfully vibrant. You get everything, even a page of the counters, the only things missing are the dice and pencil. The pdfs are all indexed as well. This is a top end product.

Not got the modules yet, I'm hoping that when enough of them are republished WoC will do a print-on-demand bound set.

Looks like WoC has taken back their intellectual property with a vengance, with luck it'll spark a big revival of interest in Star Frontiers. Showed the books to my friendly local games shop (Orc's Nest in London), when they started going they were selling the originals. If they could get a good trade deal they might consider selling them there, but not sure if that's an option (or really necessary given how easy you can get them from DrivethruRPG/RPGNow).

Would be nice to see SF back on the shelves though...
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TerlObar
January 20, 2018 - 6:14am
I have mine on order, just waiting for them to show up.  At which point I'll be doing a full review.  I've seen some pictures of clipped pages so we'll have to see.
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JCab747
January 31, 2018 - 7:22pm
Stibbons wrote:
They did indeed say hardcover and Knight Hawks is also available, I have availed myself and am now the proud owner of the two boxed rule sets as harcover books.

Quality is superb, well bound, great covers (which could provide hard cover if you stacked enough of them up), the scans are crisp and clear and the colours on the maps wonderfully vibrant. You get everything, even a page of the counters, the only things missing are the dice and pencil. The pdfs are all indexed as well. This is a top end product.

Not got the modules yet, I'm hoping that when enough of them are republished WoC will do a print-on-demand bound set.

Looks like WoC has taken back their intellectual property with a vengance, with luck it'll spark a big revival of interest in Star Frontiers. Showed the books to my friendly local games shop (Orc's Nest in London), when they started going they were selling the originals. If they could get a good trade deal they might consider selling them there, but not sure if that's an option (or really necessary given how easy you can get them from DrivethruRPG/RPGNow).

Would be nice to see SF back on the shelves though...


Sounds very, very interesting.
Joe Cabadas

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rattraveller
February 3, 2018 - 7:52pm
One question. Evil Hat put in the challenge for the abandoned copyright. Then WOTC put the PDFs up on Drivethrurpg. People start buying the PDF and books and WOTC makes money. So does this mean Evil Hat will lose their challenge and then WOTC can bury the game again for maybe someday using a part of it in some other game?
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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Dave the Lost
February 4, 2018 - 4:47pm
I suspect, yes. WOTC now can claim that their use of the "Star Frontiers" trademark is active, as they have actual product for sale that uses that trademark. I don't expect WOTC to publish anything new for SF. The most me could hope for is likely D&D5e based material.

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Stormcrow
February 5, 2018 - 7:56am
Copyright cannot be abandoned. Trademarks can be abandoned, but that does not appear to be the case here. Starfrontiers.com had made an agreement with TSR/Wizards of the Coast apparently allowing them to publish the rules on their site so long as TSR/Wizards wasn't publishing the books themselves. This is the first I've heard about Evil Hat trying to obtain Star Frontiers, but I don't see how that would have worked, as Wizards still owned the copyright, even if the trademarks had lapsed (which I don't know that they had).

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rattraveller
February 5, 2018 - 8:23am
Here is a link that shows some of what is going on

http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2017/09/evil-hat-has-applied-for-star-frontiers.html
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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jedion357
February 5, 2018 - 10:45am
Dave the Lost wrote:
I don't expect WOTC to publish anything new for SF. The most me could hope for is likely D&D5e based material.


BARF!
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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Stibbons
February 6, 2018 - 11:36am
Well, Sundown on Starmist and Mission to Alcazzar just turned up, PDF and print-on-demand softcover.

WotC are definitely serious about it all.
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jedion357
February 7, 2018 - 6:25am
Stibbons wrote:
Well, Sundown on Starmist and Mission to Alcazzar just turned up, PDF and print-on-demand softcover.

WotC are definitely serious about it all.


One wonders if they will release 2001 and 2010 modules? or will there be a licensing issue?
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!

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bioreplica
February 7, 2018 - 7:53am
Hello, its been a while !

Even if Evil Hat manages to get the trademark they won't be able to use the races and other IP ideas contained in the setting... without those it won't be Star Frontiers at all. I have no need for a «fake» Star Frontiers version of FATE...

As for WotC I doubt they would publish a percentile (d100) game. And I'm not convinced they would call their new sci-fi game Star Frontiers. If they follow the D&D business model will publish a generic Sci-Fi system under 5e d20 rules. Then they will publish campaign books. One of them would be set in Star Frontiers universe. Another in the Alternity universe. Maybe a third in the Gamma World Universe. 

My two cents
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jedion357
February 7, 2018 - 12:31pm
bioreplica wrote:
My two cents


And We're all two cents none the richer but I'd buy what your selling for two cents.

Welcome back bioreplica
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!