Origins of Sathar bio-engineering

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jedion357
October 6, 2017 - 2:23am
900 years ago the Sathar raided and for all intents and purposes destroyed the Eorna civilization on Volturnus.

Since that time the Eorna , believing they faced extinction have pursued endeavors in bio-engineering to raise up a replacement species.

What if the origin of Sathar engineering began with their appropriating Eorna technology?
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Rum Rogue
October 6, 2017 - 2:34am
Nice twist on things. 

To me, it looks like the Sathar had a good lock on cyberneticly enhanced and controlled critters. Afterall, at the Sathar communications structure they Cybo-slugs and the Eorna cybo-slaves(?). 

By taking Eorna technology their scientific endevours could have taken a vastly wild swing.
Is this where the Quickdeath might have been developed?
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jedion357
October 6, 2017 - 2:42am
Side thought: the Eorna have worked to develop a replacement species with 3 independent projects being worked tangentally and one failed project (mechanons). 

It seems odd that their plan was to develop multiple species when what you really need is one. On a destroyed planet do you really want to divide the available resources amongst this many species? 

Consider: the Eorna we're developing primitive sapients to the point where they would be judged to decide which would become the one. 

Once the one is chosen, the others must make room and thus the "Eorna Great Plan" has a chapter called "The Final Solution" where they eliminate the unsuccessful test subjects in favor of the chosen species.

The mechanons knew about this and or the Eorna council was leaning away from the mechsnon solution early on and this became the trigger for mechanon self determination.  Desire to survive.

There is an element of sinister to this for the Eorna. I also chose the name Final Solution with malice of fore thought
for it's historical connection in the real world.

Germany was a nation like any else and a mad man rose to control it and perpetrate horrible atrocities. The Eorna, as a species are prone to homicidal insanity, as per the Crash on Voltunus mod, should it be surprising that they have a Great Plan (or was it Great Mission, I forget which)
And this mission had a mechanon solution. Currently has a Ul-mor Solution, Kurabunga Solution, and Edestakai Solution. But it's dark secret is the Final Solution. 
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jedion357
October 6, 2017 - 2:50am
Quick death and slitherer are  loose in the environment on Volturnus which would suggest no the worms had this tech but we could equally propose that the Sathar discovered and began tinkering with the tech on Volturnus 900 years ago with quick death and slitherer being early examples. 890 years ago the shut down operations on Volturnus and left the obelisk. 

This appropriating technological distinctives is very Borg like. Makes you wonder what they appropriated from the Zuraqor? 

Casts the long term project of Sathar agents in the Frontier in a new light: gather technological advantages.
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jedion357
October 6, 2017 - 2:54am
@ Rum Rogue : yes under this idea the worms already had the lock on cybernetic technologies and purely added Eorna bio-engineering tech. The fusion of those two technologies gives you things like the cybo slug. 

The cybernetic tech previously gave them cybo-dragons and cybot slaves. 
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jedion357
October 6, 2017 - 2:57am
So is there a species out there that heavily relued on cybernetics before the worms encountered them?

Are they now a subjugated client species of the Sathar?

What do the look like? Are the now a individually mindless though collectively sapient collective/hive mind?
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October 6, 2017 - 3:03am
This gives the Eorna a dirty little secret that post Battle of Volkos they would have realized they needed to cover up. 

A mechanon informant could be a source for information for a murdered jounalist (PCs begin investigating his death) mech's code name in journalist notes is Deep Voicebox. 

Mercenaries, at first will try to kill PCs but big final confrontation will be with Eorna cadre supporting the Eorna leader Fload (anagram for Adolf)
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Rum Rogue
October 6, 2017 - 12:29pm
Now will the finding of the Eorna eggs in stasis bring about the Final Solution to rid the planet of the primative races to make room for the next generation of Eorna?
 Or will this next generation keep some of the more useful specimens around as possible slave labor or experimentation?
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October 6, 2017 - 12:43pm
Rum Rogue wrote:
Now will the finding of the Eorna eggs in stasis bring about the Final Solution to rid the planet of the primative races to make room for the next generation of Eorna?
 Or will this next generation keep some of the more useful specimens around as possible slave labor or experimentation?


I'd keep the essentials of the SF timeline and UPF governor appointed by Council of Worlds to oversee Volturnus and its rebuilding. The eorna realize they cant impliment the Final Solution thus it becomes a big secret that some will kill to keep.

EDIT: and finding the egg ship is an optional ending although I think most of us opt for it. But certainly one we dont have to allow.
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Tchklinxa
October 8, 2017 - 12:20pm
I like the idea the Eorna are not waht they seem. I think they were not peaceful at all and this makes the Sathar invassion make more sense... they most certainly have a hidden agenda and are cool playing god and creating species to die for them. 
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October 8, 2017 - 1:52pm
Tchklinxa wrote:
I like the idea the Eorna are not waht they seem. I think they were not peaceful at all and this makes the Sathar invassion make more sense... they most certainly have a hidden agenda and are cool playing god and creating species to die for them. 

You don't even have to trash the whole species, it could be just one leader. But yeah when you think about they are playing good and you have to ask yourself do all three primitive species inherit Volturnus equally? Or was the plan for just one to do so? The hostility between the mechanons and the Eorna can be easily explained as the Eorna decided they were an uncontrollable"No" and sought to deactivate them. The mechanons whole up in a defense installation mound and go all New Hampshire red neck, "you can have my laser gun when you pry it from my cold dead mechanical fingers."

Now in a setting where the Eorna have recovered the egg ship do they really want to share Volturnus with the primitives? Perhaps there is a plot to release the individual "final solution viruses" one for each species. 
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October 9, 2017 - 9:26am
This is a good take on the Eorna and Sathar relationship.

Another dirty secret of the Eorna is what if there were more than the approximately 150 survivors -- and those that weren't made into slavebots by the Sathar.... Hmmm, the fact that there were a number of Eorna available to make into slavebots means there must have been more survivors, right?

I think I had suggested this in my Volturnus Before the Day of Doom stories in Frontier Explorer, but if there were more than 150 survivors, perhaps the clique of scientists deemed the others to not be worth saving. They may have been genetically damaged from the weapons the Sathar used during the planetary assault or not smart enough. Maybe their tails were too short (the Eorna love physical beauty and thus damaged specimens are not highly regarded).

They could have left the other survivors to die or even turned them over to the Sathar invaders as they hid away.

The descendants of the Eorna may not know all of these dirty secrets, but the Elders kept in stassis would not only have this information but were complicit in these crimes.
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October 9, 2017 - 9:30am
JCab747 wrote:
This is a good take on the Eorna and Sathar relationship.

Another dirty secret of the Eorna is what if there were more than the approximately 150 survivors -- and those that weren't made into slavebots by the Sathar.... Hmmm, the fact that there were a number of Eorna available to make into slavebots means there must have been more survivors, right?

I think I had suggested this in my Volturnus Before the Day of Doom stories in Frontier Explorer, but if there were more than 150 survivors, perhaps the clique of scientists deemed the others to not be worth saving. These other survivors may have been considered genetically damaged from the weapons the Sathar used during the planetary assault or not smart enough. Maybe their tails were too short (the Eorna love physical beauty and thus damaged specimens are not highly regarded).

The Eorna elders could have left the other survivors to die or even turned them over to the Sathar invaders to eliminate. Meanwhile, the Elders hid away and started their great mission.

Except for a select few, the descendants of the Eorna elders may not know any of these dirty secrets. However the Elders kept in stassis would not only have this information but were complicit in these crimes.
Joe Cabadas

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October 9, 2017 - 9:31am
Sorry, double post. I was trying to edit the first one to make a little more sense but I somehow ended up quoting it.
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Tchklinxa
October 9, 2017 - 10:33am

Good points...

Eorna are eugenic types by nature... so what if the beautiful people took the sathar attack as the oppurtunity to get rid of their "inferior" races.

What if Blue Plague was Eorna engineered and released on the Frontier, the Sathar need not always be the badies.

What if the eggs in space that represent their future are mostly eggs of the "inferior" people.

What if the Eorna scientists are one step away of all being super villians.

What if the eggs in space turn out to produce offspring not like the modern Eorna, becuase the modern Eorna have evolved, regressed or had their DNA manipulated with.

What about an Eorna clone project?

What if some Eorna are trying to stop the crazy ones?

 

 

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October 9, 2017 - 1:22pm
beginnings of a espionage thriller here

discoveries at a MSO high security lab are explosive but before the evidence can be published there is a terrorist attack at the lab destroying the evidence and killing most of the MSO personnel.

Blue Plague as an Eorna plot was actually a plot to weaken and allow the Eorna to take over the Frontier but it backfired. While the casualties from the Blue Plague were insanely high they were not high enough for the Eorna to take over. Part of that plot was a rush into production of "super soldier" primitives from Volturnus- some of these proto-type super soldiers still exist and are in hibernation/stasis chambers.

player could even be a fully modern member of the primitive races but without the memories of a past and childhood.

PCs manage to track the one member of the MSO lab that survived. and learn that a protien was isolated in the Blue Plague virus and that this protien orginated with in the Sea-Mor on Volturnus.

Eorna council is shocked to learn this and pledges its help.

There will be a Mechanon informant who goes by the code name "Deep Voicebox"
he starts informing to the PCs after the lab attack because its supposedly the Silver Death Cult (anit robots cadre) he tells them to look deeper into the attack, meets with them on Volturnus and tells them not to trust the eorna council or something, suggesting a line of investigation that leads to the super soldiers.

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October 9, 2017 - 6:27pm
Ooo! Bring in the Silver Death Cult!
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October 10, 2017 - 3:59am
JCab747 wrote:
Ooo! Bring in the Silver Death Cult!


either that or the Eorna may try to implicate the mechanons which may just make Deep Voicebox make more sense.

They dont want it to look like a sathar agent as that well and truly may bring the full weight of Star Law down on the investigation. So a third party being implicated or a patsy is highly likely.

The MSO discoveries could be very problematic for the Eorna

The eorna know about the MSO discoveries because the lead scientist contacted a Eorna scientist he had a privious relationship with to ask for his confirmation/ opinion on the discovery. This lead to the bombing MSO lab by a known terrorist organization. and the freak air car accident of the MSO researcher where a bad induction phase converter caused the catastrophic failure of the inertia field coil in flight of the MSO scientists air car.
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October 10, 2017 - 6:05am
When it comes to the Eorna there is a good chance here to do something that is often overlooked in Sci Fi and that is one species with different cultures. I am really liking the idea that the newly hatched Eorna will take a very different tact then their elders. 

Also there could be a split in the newly hatched Eorna between those that want to follow the path set by their elders, those that want contact with the Frontier instead of living on a planet with so many others and those that want to retake the planet for the Eorna.
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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October 10, 2017 - 12:28pm
rattraveller wrote:
When it comes to the Eorna there is a good chance here to do something that is often overlooked in Sci Fi and that is one species with different cultures. I am really liking the idea that the newly hatched Eorna will take a very different tact then their elders. 

Also there could be a split in the newly hatched Eorna between those that want to follow the path set by their elders, those that want contact with the Frontier instead of living on a planet with so many others and those that want to retake the planet for the Eorna.


pretty sure I've explored this before- your absolutely right there will be a break in the culture and outlook of the new and the old.

And this could be the source of why the UPF still governs Volturnus with a govenor around year 100 FY- that as this dirty little secret came to light and some of the conspirators are caught the youthful generation will turn away in disgust, the ruling council is desimated by arrests and or suicides to avoid arrest and other assorted bad things that happen in these circumstances.

Thus the UPF assumes the full and permanent protectorate of Volturnus and all of its sapient species.

Perhaps they even found a Volturnus Institute that will provide free modern education to the indiginous species.

The revulsion at what the leadership of the Eorna Council has done leads to a back to nature/ back to old values (pre Day of Doom) and help create a stereotype of Eorna being hippie artist sauroids with long hair (they do have hair BTW)
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October 10, 2017 - 1:49pm
Protectorate is an interesting term. Considering all the news about Puerto Rico these days, which is basically a protectorate, what does the term mean in relation to their representation at the Council and their ability to interact on the interstellar scale.
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Tchklinxa
October 10, 2017 - 8:12pm
I was thinking HG Wells... and it struck me for some reason the Eorna are Dino Morlocks... whose to say there is not a vast underground civilization on the planet. Not sure why my head is making the connect but it is. 
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jedion357
October 11, 2017 - 2:02am
Tchklinxa wrote:
I was thinking HG Wells... and it struck me for some reason the Eorna are Dino Morlocks... whose to say there is not a vast underground civilization on the planet. Not sure why my head is making the connect but it is. 


They were using the uplifted primitives for their own purposes.

What were those purposes?

Revenge? with the UPF taking over does this purpose go away? is it still in force?

To express their creativity by creating something- see what we did.

A "death song" the uplifted species are a evidence that we were here. There is a certain amount of fatalism in the eorna in the modules. like they recognize they are doomed.

I'm trying to wrap my head around an eornan leader that is a creative genius, fatalist socio-path, who believed the eorna were doomed and was writing his magnum opus when the UPF showed up and started muching things ups.

Add to that the hammer blow of the egg ship and people in his "party" are defecting from THE MISSION for the siren song of hope that their species could endure and have a future.

So yes the Blue Plague could very well be a tool he would unleash on the Frontier for stealing his dream.
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Tchklinxa
October 14, 2017 - 2:32pm
I like the idea of BP being made by crazy Eorna over the Sathar did it... makes for more intrigue and complications down the road. 
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October 14, 2017 - 11:20pm
Whats more they've had 900 years to work on this final solution virus for each of the uplifted species, keeping them in reserve for the moment they decide to go with one of the primitive species over the other two. This mean they are not starting from scratch engineering a virus to attack the core four species of the UPF. And though they had some time between the battle of Volturnus and the advent of the blue plague they didn't quite get it to be 90% mortality rate as the final solution viruses for the uplifted primitives. So the BP was horrific but but not as horrific as the crazy eorna leader intended.

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