Player Character Races????

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jedion357
September 6, 2017 - 3:01pm
Page 60 of the rule book: Racial Reaction Modifiers table

Anyone else notice something interesting about this table?

if this has been discussed and I missed the discussion please forgive my ignorance.
I might not be a dralasite, vrusk or yazirian but I do play one in Star Frontiers!
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TerlObar
September 6, 2017 - 4:01pm
It's not symmetric?  I don't remember it ever being discussed before. What was the "something interesting" you noticed?
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Shadow Shack
September 6, 2017 - 7:34pm
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Anyone else notice something interesting about this table?

Sathar are listed as a PC race.

After that, Yazirians dislike Dralasites to the same degree that Sathar & Vrusk dislike each other.
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jedion357
September 7, 2017 - 6:45am
Yes, Sathar as a PC race. Although, in Zeb Cooks original work they were a PC race but later became the implacable enemy Ie. the Borg of Star Frontiers.

This table may be a remnenant of Zeb and Lawrence's work after Alien Worlds was taken from them and reworked by commitee to be Star Frontiers.

Of course the numbers for reactions to sathar are highly prejudicial so no doubt those are changed.
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Stormcrow
September 7, 2017 - 1:17pm
Notice the ordering of the races, and notice the Sathar's hugely negative modifiers. The order starts with Humans, because we're Humans and that's the default from which all other races are defined. Then the other friendly races are in alphabetical order. Then Sathar are at the bottom of the list, not in alphabetical order with the others. They're put there because they're not grouped with the others.

These things tell me that the Racial Reaction Modifiers table was written, or at least revised, after the Sathar became the enemy NPC race. It's just the phrase "Player Character Race" that's wrong. That might be because the table existed while the Sathar were still a PC race and they just missed it, or it might be because the table was really for PCs and they stuck Sathar on the end because they realized they should, recognizing that, "Okay, Sathar aren't actually player characters, but that's not really important. It's not like thirty-five years later someone is going to point this out and misunderstand the point, right?"

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Tchklinxa
September 13, 2017 - 7:18pm
Well I have been considering an all Sathar adventure. PCs play the Sathar... just an idea I keep coming back to. 
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Shadow Shack
September 13, 2017 - 8:31pm
Tchklinxa wrote:
Well I have been considering an all Sathar adventure. PCs play the Sathar... just an idea I keep coming back to. 

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Shadow Shack
September 13, 2017 - 8:31pm
Tchklinxa wrote:
Well I have been considering an all Sathar adventure. PCs play the Sathar... just an idea I keep coming back to. 

<raises hand from back of room>

"Can I play a Zuraqqor?"




No, I'm not overly fond of Zeb's Guide. Nor do I have any qualms in stating why. Tongue out

My SF website

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Tchklinxa
September 14, 2017 - 7:08pm
Well I am kicking the allies around too... SF from the baddies point of view... of course their point of view is they are the good guys. The Sathar's allies would have their own agendas too but there would be plenty of reasons for them to interact and cooperate towards common goals... and it could be a reboot so to speak as really it could start anywhere in the timeline. TSR ended up doing the creepy evil bad guys versus colony good guys cliche, but it never felt 100% correct to me. So as I have been DMing most recently, I should pull my SF stuff out refresh my brain a bit and come up with a basic adventure... all we see of the Sathar is their military, but there has got to much more and a motivation behind their actions and even choices of species as allies. I am thinking right this second maybe a joint species colony planet someplace off the SF map might be a good starting idea, than at least two species for people to play... there must be something of mutual interest of course for the first adventure hook. From there maybe aspects of traditional SF timeline can be added. The bio form and cyber aspects of Sathar tech I think would be a hoot to see in other aspects too. Just spit balling right now... but it would be fun to explore the "bad guys" from a PC angle I think.
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Shadow Shack
September 15, 2017 - 6:57am
It's a great twist and I would love to partake in it. I penned & GM'd a reverse-Volturnus trilgoy game where the players were recruited as members of the Star Devil after being turned down for the expedition that would have otherwise started the game as written, so it's right up my ally.
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Tchklinxa
September 15, 2017 - 10:23am
Okay I should probably start a new thread so we can spit ball ideas... 
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