Star Wars Sold to Disney for $4.05 Billion

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Ascent
October 31, 2012 - 3:35pm
I thought I'd pop in to announce this biggy for anyone that may be late on the news. George Lucas has sold the Star Wars franchise to Disney.

What do you think of them beans?
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October 31, 2012 - 3:43pm

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October 31, 2012 - 3:58pm
Huh, so is Disney now paying a royalty to itself for Star Tours? I mean seriously, merchandising whore #2 sells to #1...the only thing left to make that enterprise complete is if Disney acquires Harley Davidson.

We'll see remakes of the original trilogy for sure now. If they cast Justin Beiber into it I'll personally kick Robert Iger in the groin. Maybe Eisner too, guilt by association.
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OnceFarOff
October 31, 2012 - 4:05pm
Shadow Shack wrote:
Huh, so is Disney now paying a royalty to itself for Star Tours? I mean seriously, merchandising whore #2 sells to #1...the only thing left to make that enterprise complete is if Disney acquires Harley Davidson.

We'll see remakes of the original trilogy for sure now. If they cast Justin Beiber into it I'll personally kick Robert Iger in the groin. Maybe Eisner too, guilt by association.


They actually talked about an Episode 7 coming out in 2015.

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FirstCitizen
October 31, 2012 - 4:19pm
Well, considering how good some Disney movies do character development and dialog (pirates franchise comes to mind), *maybe* this will make SW Episode VII actually watchable! :)

The fark.com photoshop challenge for this story had some funny composites.  Plus some scary mashups of years ago stuff with stormtrooper armor and disney masks that cosplayers did.

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Sargonarhes
October 31, 2012 - 4:39pm
I do not see this ending well. Think about this, what is one thing Disney does with it's more successful property license? They did it with Beauty and the Beast, Lion King and even allowed on for Spiderman. Star Wars the musical or broadway play. Cringe in terror at the thought of it. Don't think it could happen? Watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIRQf0S3oD0

They have him dancing to MC Hammer in '09.

Lucas has also liked the fan made videos for Star Wars, with Disney now owning it kiss all that fan stuff good bye. Really I can't see this as a good thing. It makes Star Trek look better and better. At least I still have Gundam, Babylon 5 and Legend of Galactic Heroes which I already rank higher than Star Wars. 
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OnceFarOff
October 31, 2012 - 4:33pm
FirstCitizen wrote:
Well, considering how good some Disney movies do character development and dialog (pirates franchise comes to mind), *maybe* this will make SW Episode VII actually watchable! :)

The fark.com photoshop challenge for this story had some funny composites.  Plus some scary mashups of years ago stuff with stormtrooper armor and disney masks that cosplayers did.


True. Maybe the main character in the new movie will not be a sniveling, whiny snot rag (READ Mark Hamill or Hayden what's-his-face)

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rattraveller
October 31, 2012 - 4:37pm
Well Star Trek always looked better but hang on and let's see what they are going to do with it.

1) Talk is that 7, 8 and 9 will finally get made so that could be good.
2) What will happen to clone wars cartoon series should be a bigger question.
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?

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jedion357
October 31, 2012 - 7:19pm
First, was that Billion with a "B"? Personally, I dont blame no one for selling nothing for any price with that has a B in it and rhymes with Billion. (sorry couldn't really come up with anything that rhymes with billion other than million). So right now I'm lifting my empty glass of wine to Lucas and toasting that dog with the last drop of vino in the very bottom of the glass.

Now As to Disney owning Star Wars? I have to think that the other live action Sci fi product that they did should be a warning- Black Hole and the crappy ending- remember that? Star Wars is already laden with religious clap trap so what do you suppose they'll do with that? I'll quote one of the other posters in the this thread, "Nothing good will come of that."

Seriously, after the ewoks in return of the jedi I wouldn't be sure I care about this and after some of the what ever in the prequels I'm pretty sure I dont care about Disney owning the Star Wars franchise- speaking of franchises I can name some others that suck- McD's, Burger King, and those coffee lover betrayers: Duncan Donuts. What ever.

So here's to George, ooops guess I toasting that dog with an empty glass.

Oh yeah, I suppose Disney will be coming out with Star Wars the amusement park ride now! and as per Shadow's comments yeah thats going to be about as good as when Disney acquires Harley Davidson and bring out Harley Davidson the amusement ride! Oh yeah! gonna have to get me some leather chaps when that happens.
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AZ_GAMER
October 31, 2012 - 8:26pm

Owning both Marvel productions and Star Wars / Lucas Arts is a little too monoploistic for me. While I look forward optimistcally to what they will do with ep 7. It really has potential for turning the franchise around or sinking it completely. All they need now is to acquire Hasbro and their plan for total domination will be realized...muuuhuuuhahahhahahahaa ack ack blah


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Shadow Shack
October 31, 2012 - 9:33pm
jedion357 wrote:
Oh yeah, I suppose Disney will be coming out with Star Wars the amusement park ride now! and as per Shadow's comments yeah thats going to be about as good as when Disney acquires Harley Davidson and bring out Harley Davidson the amusement ride! Oh yeah! gonna have to get me some leather chaps when that happens.

Star Tours is Disney's Star Wars ride, they launched it in Disney Land back in the mid 80s.

And Disney World has a Harley Davidson gift shop somewhere within their multitudes of acres in Florida. Really, it's not that far of a reach...

AZ_GAMER wrote:
Owning both Marvel productions and Star Wars / Lucas Arts is a little too monoploistic for me.

I don't have a problem with this. In fact it's probably the best thing I can think of. 

Dark Horse Comics did a fine job revisiting the franchise at first but they got rather bland pretty quick. And then they oversaturated the market with offshoot titles: Tales of the Jedi, Rogue Squadron, Old Republic, Clone Wars, the regular ongoing series, the numerous one shots and limited series, and I'm sure there are more since I stopped buying them nearly ten years ago.

None of them held a candle to the Marvel run of Star Wars. Mandalore Warriors, Zeltrons, Amaiza & Jaxxon, House of Tagge, Valance the Hunter...seriously with all the new material since then a new run from the House of Ideas is a great thing to have.
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theclaytster
November 1, 2012 - 8:10am
As long as Disney focus's on the main audience and does not screw it up with trying to appeal to everybody, Disney may make a mint.  George Lucus sure did.

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jedion357
November 1, 2012 - 9:24am
Leno just show the clip last night where Vader reveals he's Luke's father to Luke and Luke falls down the core of the sky city. Except Vader had mouse ears and Micky's voice and Luke had Goofy's voice. LMAO.
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Shadow Shack
November 1, 2012 - 1:43pm
In all seriousness, if anyone doubts Disney's ability to handle Star Wars, allow me to submit the Avengers. Hands down the best flick in the Marvel franchise, courtesy of Disney.

Although I have to say I will surely miss the opening fanfare of 20th Century Fox. It was a natural match with John Williams' opening score, to this day every time I see a Fox movie I half expect that fanfare to be followed by "A long time ago in a gallaxy far, far away..."
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Ascent
November 1, 2012 - 1:51pm
Also, no more will the credits be held until the end. It will be a different flavor.
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Shadow Shack
November 1, 2012 - 2:13pm
True, but the credits can still follow the opening crawl. Many movies have been made as such. We just won't be jumping head first into the movie after the opening crawl.

Still, if Lucas could do credits at the end in 2005, who's to say Disney can't do it in 2015?
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Ascent
November 1, 2012 - 2:35pm
Lucas got sued crazy by the screen actor's guild for that. He ponied up. Disney isn't in the habit of ponying up for anything. They avoid lawsuits where possible.
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Shadow Shack
November 1, 2012 - 4:02pm
It was my understanding that Lucas bypassed the guild to invoke the end credits. Stopped paying dues or something to that effect, to which the guild launched their suit. I hadn't heard he actually paid anything for it. Not saying that never happened, that's just what I've seen discussed in the past.

Ascent wrote:
They avoid lawsuits where possible.

In theory. But they have still blatantly disregarded obvious copyright laws (and the resultng consequences), more frequently than even they care to admit.

For that I would reference Wild Hogs...Disney (masters of merchandise whoring and infringement lawyer-up trigger happy that they are) tried to call Ray Liotta's bunch "Hell's Angels" prior to releasing the movie. Self fabricated patches and all. Care to guess who sued the snot out of Disney for that copyright infringement? In addition to the legal fees they had to reshoot all those sequences thereby delaying the release.

Even the producers of Ghost Rider knew better than to try anything close to that a year prior to Wild Hogs. They went to HA for permission to use the simple term "Angels" (with no other reference to be invoked) for the Blackheart @ Broken Spoke saloon scene. It wasn't even necessary, they just possessed enough common sense to know better than slighting a group like the Hell's Angels.

HA chapters showed up on opening night for both flicks in numerous towns, one to promote and enjoy and the other to disrupt. I'll let your imagination wander as to which act went where. ;)
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November 1, 2012 - 4:23pm
Shadow Shack wrote:
In all seriousness, if anyone doubts Disney's ability to handle Star Wars, allow me to submit the Avengers. Hands down the best flick in the Marvel franchise, courtesy of Disney.

Although I have to say I will surely miss the opening fanfare of 20th Century Fox. It was a natural match with John Williams' opening score, to this day every time I see a Fox movie I half expect that fanfare to be followed by "A long time ago in a gallaxy far, far away..."


Impossible, Avengers can't be any good, Joss Whedon was involved. Millions of people must have been brain washed or brain dead. Plus it's marvel, which rips off from others with a great frequence, but don't you ever dare do it to them. They suck as well. (personal tastes being what they are.)
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Ascent
November 1, 2012 - 4:32pm
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Impossible, Avengers can't be any good, Joss Whedon was involved.
I can't tell if you're joking or not, given the rest of your post.
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Sargonarhes
November 1, 2012 - 5:44pm
I'm sorry that was rude of me.
I can not accept the Avengers as a good movie because of Joss Whedon being involved.
I hated Titan AE, Alien 3 Resurrection, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Firefly. The common factor for all of them is Joss Whedon. Something about his style of writing or directing just puts me off. So I only see him as a hack and wrecker of anything and everything. If Disney were to get him to do anything for a new Star Wars movie I will just not see it. And even ignore it was ever made.

As for the marvel ripping off stuff, well when marvel did what they called their manga verse this is what marvel did.

Now tell me that doesn't look like the Denbrobium from Gundam 0083



But if any one else tried that with something of marvel or Disney, you know you'd get a call from their lawyers.


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Ascent
November 1, 2012 - 8:26pm
Sorry, but what you just pointed out was the failing of the artist, not the company. The company has no means of checking each and every drawing against each and every drawing of each and every other franchise on the planet. It happens in every company that hires a hack penciler. If you think Marvel is the only one, go check out all the Jim Lee knock-off clones that took off in the 90's in every new indie company. The artist is to blame, not the company.

As for Joss Whedon, you named many of his projects that I don't like, except Firefly. The Avengers was decent, but I haven't really been thrilled with any of the movies they've done for the individual characters of the Avengers, except Captain America, and the Avengers was just an extension of that. I find that a failing of the franchise, not the one of many directors and screenwriters that have contributed to relating someone else's story for the money.

I'm not sure what you didn't like about Firefly, but that series established his genius in my mind. I liked Angel because it wasn't Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Each series was twisty. Many love and many hated Dollhouse, but I found it a good long-term plot; I like shows that are looking to a bigger picture and provide the unexpected, which all his shows do. His writing is actually an excellent demonstration of good writing habits and methods and have even helped establish many modern conventions in writing that have improved storytelling.

You pointed out some of his failures, and left out the worst, Waterworld (The biggest flop in history until the Hulk; it was a Road Warrior knock-off), but what about such works as the movies Speed, Toy Story or the X-Men? However, Screenwriting is not in the power of the Screenwriter. You can have an excellent screenplay, but it could be based upon a bad writer's work and/or get all twisted by the director and the editor. The Screenwriter is hardly in control of either the starting or ending production. So let's look at what he created and/or directed: Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, Firefly and Dollhouse all have diehard cult fanbases, a series of successes that no other series creator could claim except Glen A. Larson (Who also has a huge body of flops). The Avengers has been proclaimed to be the best of all of Marvel's movies (I disagree, but that's my opinion.) His list of awards and nominations is extensive. You may not personally like him, but that doesn't say anything about whether he is a good creator, writer or director. He has been touted as one of Hollywood's best since he was 16, and I agree, even though I don't like the majority of his work. The sign of a great imagination is when lightening strikes more than once, and it has struck many times with him. So I view your opinion with a very large grain of salt and respect your opinion, but I have no idea what type of entertainment you do like. The wording of your statement "It can't be any good," says to me that you didn't actually see The Avengers, so I can't really take that as authoritative in any respect.

That said, while I would trust Star Wars to Joss Whedon long before Joseph Hosinski (Tron Legacy), I'd probably prefer Peter Jackson to helm Star Wars over most others. He knows how to tap into the feel that the fans are looking for. Though Gore Verbinski would probably be the best of all choices.
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November 1, 2012 - 9:52pm
So the accusation is corporations steal ideas from others? Say it ain't so. Nobody here made the connections in Dramune Run to Star Wars? 

The secret code of any corporation is if they aren't stealing something that is "fresh to them" then they're not doing their job. The trick is how carefully they can tip-toe around the legal loop holes. One of those loopholes is if you make it "different enough" it isn't an infringement. I don't know the ramifications behind the clause, but it exists. SF dodged the bullet by making mild insinuations to SW, Disney blatantly tried to rip off HA in Wild Hogs. Big difference.

And of course the other half is if the owner of the infringed property takes notice.
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November 1, 2012 - 10:01pm



As for the Marvel manga thing...well I'm no fan of manga so I would never catch something like that. But going back to that "different enough" loophole, that Marvel rendition looks like an amalgation of the two vehicles on the right of that second page with a bunch of wings added everywhere. I'm guessing that makes the different enough clause. I'm not trying to defend a rip off, mind you...just making a point.


On that note I will submit this much: what is the one thing Manga copies from company to company? Mecha-Walkers or whatever you want to call them. I don't know who did it first and really don't care (and if I had to make a guess I'd say Robotech), but there are so many of them out there I doubt even a bona fide Manga fan could name them all. I used to work part time in a comic book store in the 90s and saw numerous renditions of these mecha-walker things in the various Antarctic Press, Viz, and other Manga comic companies so I'm not imagining this. So the question is does every manga fan make a stink when another manga outfit does another mecha-walker? Considering how many of them are doing it I would assume the answer is no. 

In that vein, what sin is there in Marvel "ripping off" a Japanimated airship for a manga project that has been used in who knows how many other manga japanimated projects? I just googled manga aircraft and found at least a dozen F-22 Raptor look-a-likes. I didn't click on any of those Raptor clones but considering the various different artistic styles I'm pretty sure they stem from different projects. So the question is who is making the stink about all the F-22 clones in manga? Obviously not Lockheed Martin. Based on this I'm guessing Marvel isn't the only one to copy this particular design that was cited, my guess is if a person were to browse through numerous pages of other manga comics they would eventually find another version of it outside the original source soon enough.

So based on my theory, I would further postulate that the angst stems from a "big company doing something that the little companies are doing"? That being the case the answer is Marvel obviously sees a ripe market worth exploiting a la manga, it's something they were exploring back in the 90s but didn't realize until later on. It's up to the fans to accept or reject it. After all Ford, Chevy, Toyota, and Honda all manufacture a four door sedan --- copycats!!! Seriously, there were lawsuits based on this premise in the 1970s and 80s --- so it's up to the consumers to determine which maker(s) of four door sedans succeed and which one(s) will fail. On that note, the Tata Nano from India is supposed to be arriving on U.S. shores in the next couple of years to further fuel that four door sedan market, much to the angst of Chevy/Ford/Toyota/Honda owners.



Ascent wrote:
If you think Marvel is the only one, go check out all the Jim Lee knock-off clones that took off in the 90's in every new indie company. The artist is to blame, not the company.

<cough> Image? </cough>

Rob Liefeld was the biggest instigator in this regard. More than half of his Image comic characters were blatant rip offs of his own work in New Mutants/X-Force. The rest were blatant rip offs of other Marvel characters he never did. One of them was a line for line knock off of Sabretooth in the exact same splash page pose as he rendered in Marvel's pages. And I swear he uses a rubber stamp for the faces.


On the topic of Liefeld --- the dirtiest phrase ever published in a comics medium stemmed from his Image franchise. Diamond Distribution's catlogs billed on of his action figures "Rob Liefeld's Shaft is 7½" tall".

Considering how Rob Liefeld was Rob Liefeld's biggest fan-boy, I'm pretty sure he was exaggerating.
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November 2, 2012 - 1:33pm
Ascent wrote:

You pointed out some of his failures, and left out the worst, Waterworld (The biggest flop in history until the Hulk; it was a Road Warrior knock-off), but what about such works as the movies Speed, Toy Story or the X-Men? However, Screenwriting is not in the power of the Screenwriter.


Thanks for pointing those out, hated those as well. Which now explains it even more. He is the common factor. My feel is I've been so disappointed by so many of his works I am at the point where I refuse to waste any more time and money on him where I could spend it elsewhere. I know I am a hard person to please, actually never watched the X-men because it is marvel. Just never liked marvel and I'm not really into superheroes.
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November 2, 2012 - 5:24am
As a parent with children I have a hard time getting out to the movies- and when I do and I end up seeing something really bad I'm so bummed. Like the time a group of buddies were going as a social group and I jumped in. By the time I learned that the movie was one of the Resident Evil vomit- sequels I tried to make the best of it as I was dependent on the group for a ride home.

Normally I can make the best of something if there is some entertainment value to it but beyond a few hot chicks, in tight clothing running around with guns blazing and never seeming to run out of ammo it; that Resident Evil flick was a terrible experience (dont even know what its name is other than the one where she crash lands a WW2 plane on the roof of a jail)

As for Avengers- I made the most of that and rather enjoyed one scene between the Hulk and Thor- you probably know which one I refere to if you've seen it. I guess not getting out much makes you more open and accepting of most things intended for adults- you're just happy to not be stuck watching another animated princess movie or Toy Story 13 with the kids who are making 5 trips to the bathroom for a 90 minute movie.
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Malcadon
November 2, 2012 - 11:19am
Shadow Shack wrote:
Rob Liefeld was the biggest instigator in this regard.

Liefeld alone is the biggest instigator of semi-artistic crap! "Swiping" is way too common to really point to just one artiest - even manga suffers the same problem! Rob Liefeld is just a two-bit armature with no business being in the comic book industry! Hell, he is a blight to the industry! His sudden popularity in the '90s really killed superhero comics in me an a number of other fans I know.

We have been slowing getting back to them. (OMG!! NIGHTCRAWLER HAS A DAUGHTER?!? WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN? I now he is smooth and charming and all, but now I feel out of the loop! Oh wait, it seems he had the same reaction as me. Wink)

Well, the point is, if you are going to pay people to draw your comics, and you have the power to find and hire good artiests, then dont put your pearls before the swine.

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Shadow Shack
November 2, 2012 - 1:09pm
Anyone claiming to be a Liefeld fan obviously never read his comics.

I tried reading them, really, I did give Image a chance when they first launched. It was painful. Those aforementioned Resident Evil films (or even Twilight for that matter) are easier to sit through that trying to digest those Image comics. Image was the precusor to modern film techniques of all fluff with no stuff. Most of those clowns that left Marvel to form their own lines of "owner properties" quickly learned that it wasn't art alone that sold books but that there was this important supporting thing called a "story". After all that's what books are: stories. 

But Liefeld never grasped that concept.

And it didn't help that Image debuted at the same time when sportcard shops ruined comics with their hype. How a Spawn #1 to this day can be worth more than any silver age Marvel filler issue is beyond me, moreso when you can't even find those filler issues and every dealer has scores of Spawn #1 to replace that $25 piece of crap hanging on the wall, should it ever actually sell. I mean the last time I was involved in comcis Spawn had a regular print run of about 40K issues a month, indicating tht there are about 40K Spawn readers out there. The first issue of Spawn had a print run in the millions. It's safe to say that anyone who likes Spawn has a #1, in fact it's safe to say they have more than one copy. Yet there's that inflated price still hanging on. Hype.

Working in that comic shop I saw one trend with Liefeld: he would start a project, get halfway into it, and that would inspire another project. Which he would start, get halfway into, and abandon for yet another. I don't think he ever finished anything he started...if he did I missed it but then again I stopped reading his garbage long before he had a chance to commit. But that trend was apparent with every series he did...Diamond would list a new Liefeld title and it would make it to 2-3 issues and the listed 4th+ issue never shipped as he fired up another title.  I remember the shop owner promising any Liefeld fan that if issue #4 ever shipped he'd let them have it for free. I don't think he ever had to fulfill that promise.

After it was all said and done I remember seeing Liefeld Captain America books before 2003 when I stopped buying comics. It seems they tucked their tails between their legs and crawled back to Marvel begging for work. Some rebellion that turned out to be (rebellion, and now we're back on topic again LOL).
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jedion357
November 2, 2012 - 1:11pm
LOL- on topic- I still have images of Harley Davidson the Disney ride in my head.
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Shadow Shack
November 2, 2012 - 1:17pm
Ironically I am too.

I'm picturing a roller coaster ride with faux bikes for cars that lean into the curves. The funny thing is if such a ride ever came to be, those faux bikes would go faster and lean harder than a real Harley ever could.
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rattraveller
November 2, 2012 - 2:43pm
OK so is everyone done ranting yet? This is the place to do it so let's hear some more.
Sounds like a great job but where did you say we had to go?